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      Yeah, but that’s capitalism in general, which is what people mean when they say “free market”.

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        USA’s brand of capitalism has IP protections, such as patent, copyrights, and trademarks. None of which China actually follows.

        China is well known to conduct significant corporate espionage. (IE: hackers targeting corporations like Microsoft or Sony, not really people with “critical national secrets” but instead software they’d rather keep secret). China also hacks for national-security purposes too I’m sure.

        I mean, still better than the Russian hackers or North Korean ones that focus on randomware. China at least is trying to get economic benefits out of it, but… its clearly built up on a lot of stolen tech.

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          Which are frequently abused by those in power.

          They protect the companies who have money, not the people who generally create those ideas and technologies.

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            Abuse or not, Chinese corporate espionage is well crossing the line.

            Say what you will about “Copyright”, but we all know that when China hacks Google and steals source code, that’s “unfair” and well crossing the line of the minor copyright violations we normally discuss here on Lemmy (or other internet). I’m not talking about simple piracy, I’m talking about fucking hacking and stealing years of hard work / programming source code from major US Companies here.

            This isn’t some performance artist or protester trying to “download a car”, so to speak through piracy. This is literally China’s MO of corporate espionage. Steal everything to launch their country into the future. Steal the hard work of honest programmers trying to give their systems an advantage over the competition.

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    First two are communication platforms with direct spying concerns and the car industry always was a proxy for Tank production.

    Yeah. If China is a better country at manufacturing EVs than the USA, that means they can make more war material than us. That’s absolutely a national security threat.


    The 3rd case is more of honest competition. But it’s a huge concern to any warfighter. USA won WW2 by making more vehicles than the Nazis and Japanese. If China can out-manufacture us, we absolutely have to consider the new realities of the modern battlefield

    It’s a well known fact that Nazi tanks were a lot better than American tanks. We just outnumbered the shit out of the Nazis.

    I don’t think EV production will lead to tanks like how WW2 did. But EV production almost certainly is a modern drone / Li-ion battery.

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      Actually EVs collect a huge amount of information including video and audio of the participants. It’s a huge privacy issue regardless of manufacturer country but you obviously should distinguish the difference between a foreign country collecting information on your citizens compared to your own. Neither is good but one clearly has more authoritarian tendencies and less scruples about finding and coercing compliance with any means at their disposal.