Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.
If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of
Correlation =/= Causation
They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.
And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”
It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.
No, the problem is that Democrats were saying “Old Man Bad.”
Then when he stepped aside and Harris was the only other option because there was no time for a primary, Dems largely said “No, Black Woman Worse! Hey, How about we vote for the even older white guy instead? Can I have a puppy?”
And when they didn’t get a puppy, they pulled a temper tantrum and stayed home.
So go right ahead and tell me, you great political genius, why did the dems lose? What was so bad about Kamala Harris that allowing Trump to return to power was a viable option? How does allowing Trump to return to power in any way benefit anybody? Name one flaw Kamala Harris had that was so bad that Trump wasn’t explicitly campaigning on being exponentially worse?
The reason Dems lost is because Trump promised economic growth (“greatness”), and such a thing is possible through mars colonization. People felt that (maybe). They don’t actually care about how poor their living conditions are, they just want an adventure. And they’ll get one.
Also lots and lots of backlash against cancel culture.
They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.
Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.
It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.
So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
We were hearing everything from “he’s too old” to “he’s got dementia” for months. The debate was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Biden was trending at -5 before the debate.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
“We’re not going back” was her campaign slogan and there were people chanting it right up until election day.
I think they started backing off on the “weird” thing after the Trump/Harris debate. Trump gave the much-remembered “They’re eating the dogs!” line, which itself would have been a campaign-ender for literally any other human being, and everybody started trying to use that against him. Which makes sense. Why stick to something like “weird” when your opponent is giving you such juicy ammo to use against them? I’d have done the same thing, and I think so would anybody else.
The problem is it didn’t work. Voters heard that and said “Yes, I’d like to have more of that.”
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
There is never a situation where a candidate is going to say that an incumbent member of their own party is doing a bad job. That’s just an unrealistic expectation to have. She would have been playing right into Trump’s hands, who would have used that to make the last few months of Biden’s presidency even more difficult and miserable. The most you could have expected is something along the lines of “We disagree on the finer points of some things…”. But you are never going to hear a candidate basically shit on the leader of their own party like that.
And remember that she was Vice President. Go back and watch Trump during the campaign. When Biden dropped out, Trump essentially just swapped out Biden’s name for Harris and continued on with his campaign, acting as if Harris had been President for the past four years. He convinced a whole bunch of those undecideds that the “Harris Administration” was the source of all their problems, even though the VP has little role in day to day administration. To these undecideds, the “Biden Administration” and the “Harris Administration” were one and the same, and her saying that Biden did a bad job would be like saying she did a bad job. Trump would have been beating her over the head with that up and down the campaign trail. She would have sabotaged her own campaign and basically taken a shit on the last 3 months of Biden’s presidency in the process.
No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.
The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.
The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.
The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?
Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
Not gonna really bother reading past the first couple sentences, it’s the same shit people post all the time that relies on flawed assumptions of the average person
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I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)
To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.
Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.
If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of
Correlation =/= Causation
They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.
And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”
It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.
So, the spike in homelessness was just an illusion people were feeling?
Man, I wish people told the ones doing the evictions that it’s all just an illusion…
No, the problem is that Democrats were saying “Old Man Bad.”
Then when he stepped aside and Harris was the only other option because there was no time for a primary, Dems largely said “No, Black Woman Worse! Hey, How about we vote for the even older white guy instead? Can I have a puppy?”
And when they didn’t get a puppy, they pulled a temper tantrum and stayed home.
And this arrogant ignorance is why the Dems lost, and will continue to lose.
It’s a bold strategy let’s see how many votes it costs you the next time around.
So go right ahead and tell me, you great political genius, why did the dems lose? What was so bad about Kamala Harris that allowing Trump to return to power was a viable option? How does allowing Trump to return to power in any way benefit anybody? Name one flaw Kamala Harris had that was so bad that Trump wasn’t explicitly campaigning on being exponentially worse?
The reason Dems lost is because Trump promised economic growth (“greatness”), and such a thing is possible through mars colonization. People felt that (maybe). They don’t actually care about how poor their living conditions are, they just want an adventure. And they’ll get one.
Also lots and lots of backlash against cancel culture.
They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.
Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.
It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.
So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
We were hearing everything from “he’s too old” to “he’s got dementia” for months. The debate was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Biden was trending at -5 before the debate.
“We’re not going back” was her campaign slogan and there were people chanting it right up until election day.
I think they started backing off on the “weird” thing after the Trump/Harris debate. Trump gave the much-remembered “They’re eating the dogs!” line, which itself would have been a campaign-ender for literally any other human being, and everybody started trying to use that against him. Which makes sense. Why stick to something like “weird” when your opponent is giving you such juicy ammo to use against them? I’d have done the same thing, and I think so would anybody else.
The problem is it didn’t work. Voters heard that and said “Yes, I’d like to have more of that.”
There is never a situation where a candidate is going to say that an incumbent member of their own party is doing a bad job. That’s just an unrealistic expectation to have. She would have been playing right into Trump’s hands, who would have used that to make the last few months of Biden’s presidency even more difficult and miserable. The most you could have expected is something along the lines of “We disagree on the finer points of some things…”. But you are never going to hear a candidate basically shit on the leader of their own party like that.
And remember that she was Vice President. Go back and watch Trump during the campaign. When Biden dropped out, Trump essentially just swapped out Biden’s name for Harris and continued on with his campaign, acting as if Harris had been President for the past four years. He convinced a whole bunch of those undecideds that the “Harris Administration” was the source of all their problems, even though the VP has little role in day to day administration. To these undecideds, the “Biden Administration” and the “Harris Administration” were one and the same, and her saying that Biden did a bad job would be like saying she did a bad job. Trump would have been beating her over the head with that up and down the campaign trail. She would have sabotaged her own campaign and basically taken a shit on the last 3 months of Biden’s presidency in the process.
I mean they likely won and Trump just flipped the votes
https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis
But genocide Joe enjoyers likely did cause a drop in enthusiasm and lower turnout. (As the propaganda they consumed desired)
Why is this getting downvotes without being refuted? Read the information in the link please.
No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.
The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.
The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.
The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?
Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
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I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)
To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.