50501 is one group in the coalition running Hands Off. Hands Off is primarily run by a center-left group called Indivisible, but is endorsed/supported by a lot of other center-left to left organizations like the AFL-CIO, ACLU, HRC, DSA.
@Firefly7, I’m curious why you call them left or center-left. Do you define believing in human and worker right as left? What’s the definition of left and right anyway?
Theyre broadly supportive of worker rights, trans rights, etc, and so they’re on the left of the political spectrum, but many are also fairly close to the Democratic Party, and they are a mixed bag when it comes to Israel, alongside being reformist rather than revolutionary, which places them in the center-left imo. Out of the organizations listed on the Hands Off website, the DSA was the furthest-left one I saw, and the DSA is itself a big-tent socialist organization that includes reformists and Democratic Party supporters. The Hands Off rally in my area had milquetoast Democratic congresspeople as speakers.
There’s a stark contrast between the sort of rhetoric and political position you’ll see at Hands Off versus at a pro-Palestine protest or a socialist reading group.
being reformist rather than revolutionary, which places them in the center-left imo.
I disagree. That’s more to do with pragmatics than actual political alignment. Historically, leftist revolutions tend to get co-opted by corrupt individuals; the dictatorship of the proletariat has very little to prevent it from devolving into just regular dictatorship. A lasting leftist government needs to be constructed very carefully, which almost certainly can’t be accomplished overnight.
Reformist communists want the same end goal as revolutionary communists, they just see a longer, gradual approach as being more likely to be successful and stable in the long term.
Because Democrats still seem to think that all it’ll take to undo the damage is another Biden from the blue team.
The world’s not trusting the United States unless there’s dramatic change and people see justice, not 4 years of foot dragging and “reaching across the aisle.”
What is the relationship between “Hands Off” and 50501?
50501 is one group in the coalition running Hands Off. Hands Off is primarily run by a center-left group called Indivisible, but is endorsed/supported by a lot of other center-left to left organizations like the AFL-CIO, ACLU, HRC, DSA.
@Firefly7, I’m curious why you call them left or center-left. Do you define believing in human and worker right as left? What’s the definition of left and right anyway?
Theyre broadly supportive of worker rights, trans rights, etc, and so they’re on the left of the political spectrum, but many are also fairly close to the Democratic Party, and they are a mixed bag when it comes to Israel, alongside being reformist rather than revolutionary, which places them in the center-left imo. Out of the organizations listed on the Hands Off website, the DSA was the furthest-left one I saw, and the DSA is itself a big-tent socialist organization that includes reformists and Democratic Party supporters. The Hands Off rally in my area had milquetoast Democratic congresspeople as speakers.
There’s a stark contrast between the sort of rhetoric and political position you’ll see at Hands Off versus at a pro-Palestine protest or a socialist reading group.
I disagree. That’s more to do with pragmatics than actual political alignment. Historically, leftist revolutions tend to get co-opted by corrupt individuals; the dictatorship of the proletariat has very little to prevent it from devolving into just regular dictatorship. A lasting leftist government needs to be constructed very carefully, which almost certainly can’t be accomplished overnight.
Reformist communists want the same end goal as revolutionary communists, they just see a longer, gradual approach as being more likely to be successful and stable in the long term.
Why does the label matter?? Can’t it just be what it is without being attributed to a “side?”
I think we’ve moved beyond this. It is now about the facsists and the non-fascists.
Any tolerance or acceptance of what the Trump administration is doing, infers complicity in the desecration of US democracy.
Right, but both the far-left and the democrats hate trump, so… why does it really matter which one the title is attributed to?
Because Democrats still seem to think that all it’ll take to undo the damage is another Biden from the blue team.
The world’s not trusting the United States unless there’s dramatic change and people see justice, not 4 years of foot dragging and “reaching across the aisle.”
It matters if you label these events something that people who would otherwise support them find offensive.
I know I wouldn’t go near anything that’s labelled with left-right bs terms.