𝙲𝚑𝚊𝚒𝚛𝚖𝚊𝚗 𝙼𝚎𝚘𝚠

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  • this goes in detail, but claws are thicker, and physically closer and more wrapped around the bones, and they not that fragile

    That doesn’t make them “closer to bone” than they are to nails. Handling a cat makes it very clear they are much closer to nails than to bone.

    this will impact their preying abilites i think

    You think wrong. At worst their claws are a little dull for a day. Cats sharpen them by scratching, and because claws aren’t bones and closer to nails it happens quickly.

    indoor cats do spend some time outside

    Then they’re not indoor cats.

    Also, your cats are rescue cats, so they also have some amount of trauma, and may explain some amount of fear.

    One of them has a scratch, the other was rescued too young for any trauma. Certainly nothing related to their nails. They don’t have a trauma response or a fear response, they just dislike it (same as human children often do). Stop assuming.

    It is not just a way to do what they naturally do, naturally they get experienced in hunting, and during that, they wither their claws. It is a more gradual (not a discrete clip 1 mm in a day, a month together, as compared to a few microns every time they attack).

    That’s not how it works. Your lack of experience handling cats is really showing here. The claws wither because the cats walk around on harder materials, like stone, wood or the pavement. This ‘chips’ off parts of the nail. They don’t need to hunt for this, it just happens as they walk around. They’re also not losing microns this way, they chip off bits or ‘slices’ off the nail, usually a couple mm long but quite thin. A house cat will also do so, but at a slower pace because house floors are less course and rough.

    Also, the experience (and the reward of food) is now replaced by trauma, and some treats.

    Cutting nails is not “traumatic” to a cat. Stop presenting this as a fact when it is clearly not. Most indoor cats don’t even mind at all. But cats are drama queens. 10 minutes late giving them food or cleaning the litter box? Time to yell throughout the house as if death was imminent. Anything they dislike and they’re more than happy to thoroughly inform you of it. Oh a treat? Nevermind then it’s all good.


  • but it is not as equivalent of a procedure to humans cutting nails, we do not really use our nails, a equivalent i think would be chopping our digits, because what claws to a cat are (tools), digits are to humans. If we clipping nails, that may be equivalent of saying scratching our digits (not as bad as chopping them, but definitely reducing their usability)

    Nails aren’t trimmed beyond usability. They can still use them just fine. You’re really not impairing the cat here.

    We do not really use are nails much (our nails are not like cat/dog claws, they much closer to bones

    Cat nails really aren’t “close to bones”. They’re far too fragile for that. They’re designed to be like that, so it’s easy for the cat to sharpen them and keep them a reasonable length.

    And this is why we should not have “indoor cats”. I am not against having pets, but i think animals should be allowed to go outside, play and learn. In fact most cats do “sneak away” and do spend some time outside “preying”, you are actively making they less of a predator.

    Indoor cats don’t usually “sneak away”. Most are perfectly happy indoors and are often afraid of going somewhere they don’t know. And it’s fine if they’re not being some predator all the time. Humans aren’t either, nor are dogs or other animals.

    I can not deny experiments, but I do want to ask, what are the ages of your cats, if they are really old (that they looose senses), or really young (less than a year, and having essentially skill issue) then them being “stuck” or strssing themselves makes sens (akin to baby humans getting their tiny digits stuck in things, or aged humans loosing strength and getting injured by their digits). If not, they are possibly just stayiing insides too much.

    My cats are 2 and 4 years old. They’re rescue cats, taken from the streets of Greece at a very young age. They aren’t allowed to roam free outside anymore, but that’s fine. They’re plenty stimulated through play indoors (which lets them act out any “predatory instincts” they have), though they also like to sleep in some sunny spot all day. Perfectly happy cats.

    Again, I am not an expert and would like to learn more about it.

    Then try not to present your opinions as some true fact to people who actually know what they’re talking about. Trimming cat nails is completely normal and just a way to do what outdoor cats do naturally anyway. It’s not at all remotely equivalent to declawing a cat.


  • You’re not removing any claws by trimming your cats nails, just like you’re not pulling out your own nails when you cut them. You only cut off the top bit (couple mm at most).

    Outdoor cats naturally trim their nails by being outdoors. This prevents them from growing too long. Indoor cats can’t do this that easily, though they will scratch things to trim and sharpen their nails. But that usually isn’t able to keep up with the growth of the nail.

    There aren’t any real health benefits, just like there aren’t any for humans cutting their nails. But there are practical benefits. Claws that grow too long can cause the cat to get stuck in toys, carpets, couches, etc…, which can be frustrating and stressful to them. Cutting your cats nails every now and then is part of normal pet care routine.

    I know our two cats don’t enjoy having their nails cut, but you can tell they are much happier afterwards when they notice they don’t get stuck as much. It doesn’t affect their ability to hunt or play (I think it even makes it easier for them).



  • Trying to shift further right won’t work. You can’t do “what the other party does” because they already do it and they do it better.

    Find original messaging, take back the narrative. Then you get to tell the story you’re good at.

    Trump does this exceptionally well. By spouting all kinds of shocking horseshit, the media doesn’t stop talking about him. This lets him dominate the narrative. You could see them panic when Kamala was nominated, because suddenly the DNC controlled the narrative for a bit, and polling showed Kamala taking the lead. That advantage evaporated as Trump seized control of the front pages again.

    This doesn’t just happen in the US. Here in the Netherlands, the campaign was not initially but later on dominated by talk on migration from the PVV. Of course other parties tried to respond by talking about migration, which only helped to legitimise the PVVs talking points.