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  • You presented the argument that “religion has to be anti-science”. Finding a non-insignificant number of scientists that are religious disproves that. It does not matter where they came from, but here’s another study that polls 8 different countries:

    https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/full/10.1177/2378023116664353

    The lowest % that identifies with some religious affiliation is France at 30%. That’s significantly more than the 0% one would expect from your statement “Religion has to be anti-science” because if it was all religion that was anti-science you wouldn’t find any overlap at all.

    Edit: This is my fault. I’m trying to use studies and science to discredit someone’s firmly held personal beliefs. Something I just said is a waste of time.





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    Yes, but don’t let your self righteousness turn a budding class war back into a culture war.

    If Republican voters are suddenly waking up and thinking “this isn’t right” smacking them down with “this is what you voted for” is not going to help your cause.

    “Yes, you’re right, this shouldn’t be happening and we should work together to stop it.”


  • You contradict yourself:

    I cannot think of any examples of Science, or any scientist, trying to influence what religion teaches, or what the followers of that religion believe.

    There will always be people using Science to denounce bad teachings from the church

    The most charitable interpretation I can give you is that “scientists” aren’t trying to use science to discredit the religion, “people” are.

    So people who understand science aren’t trying to use science to attack religion, people who don’t understand science are, which was my original point. Just like it’s people who don’t understand science that try to use religion to attack it.

    I didn’t claim it doesn’t happen from either science or religion. I claimed the people doing it don’t understand and it’s a pointless waste of time.

    I recognize that you’re discussing the current state of affairs on the current political and social landscape.

    Yes. Historically speaking everything is terrible. There is a long history of Science doing terrible and unethical experiments. There is a long history of governments doing terrible things. There is a long history of immoral and cruel laws. The history of humanity is full of atrocities.
    This does not mean Science, Politics, Law, and Humanity should be by default considered bad. People who used Religion to attack Science were dumb as fuck then and are dumb as fuck now.

    Science is happy to let entire swaths of people deny what they say and believe whatever the hell they want. Science and scientists will proceed with the information they have; nobody cares what you think your sky daddy has to say about it.

    So if science doesn’t care (which I agree with by the way) then making memes that imply science cares is a waste of time. Not only that, by acting like science cares and has something to say about religion it implies that religion has something to say about science. Instead of treating them like they have nothing to do with each other, it invites more “Religion vs Science” BS.