Dems biggest problem has never been results. They have done that. Time and time again. Fix the economy. Solve unemployment. Shot the steal. Whatever it is. They have actually done it each time.

But i have never seen a group that has been so mindblowingly incompetent at messaging.

Take some fucking credit you dipshits!

Seriously. Biden did almost everything we asked him to do. But the party never took credit or bragged about it enough. So much so that despite accomplishing the status quo, he still came across as a loser and lost the election for his incumbent.

They did what we asked. But we were too timid or pc to take the fucking credit! we lost because of some semblance of decorum or some other nonsense.

Brag about it you pussy ass bitches!

“Life without parole” vs “the death penalty” hold a different connotation for the average person.

Its about perception. Not logic.

The death penalty had never really made sense for 80 years. Basically ever since we eliminated firing squads or the guillotine. Ever since we said, “guilty, kill em now, move on”

But we hold execution in a much higher regard. The death penalty is certain. Life in prison… well thats ambiguous. We are still fighting a culture war on the death penalty for literal decades now, despite the fact that it makes absolutely zero difference to anyone not directly involved in the crime.

The actual, logical, real world difference is minimal. But if you want to send a message. Well then, the perception is magnificent.

Sentenced to death has meaning. Until you drag it out so long everyone forgets.

No. They want to take away a martyr.

How long is the average stay on death row?

And how long is the memory of the average american voter?

You and me will have moved on to the next battle and ten other battles by the time they shoot him. Collective memory will have other priorities and we will forget.

Thats the trick. The appeals process alone takes so long that you will either be completely lost by that point, or your disinterest shouting support for fifteen other vigilantes, that it wont matter.

If they convict, hes fucked. Hes not a martyr. Hes a statistic. And thats how they convince the next one not to do it. You are not joan of ark. History will treat you not as a savior, but as a wildcard random… So why bother? A healthcare ceo is not franz ferdinand.

We arent there yet…

Yeah my internet history alone would eliminate me from that running.

The winners are “pre selected”. Thats how his bullshit workaround works. Its been admitted. But for the uninformed, it sounds like a lottery.

It isnt.

even if a communist or anarchist or whatever tried to play the game and if it were a true lottery, you would be committing a far worse disservice by keeping quiet at this point.

Stay quiet and maybe get a million. Its the democrat way if you look at our current dem politicians… do you really want to be like them right now?

I know ted is a piece of shit, but that post, and literally everyone else’s response to it, including booker who referenced the post in the last 30 minutes before the record was broken, knew that it was a joke.

Ted tried it already and failed to hit the record. He knows how hard it is.

That was an assholes way of appreciating something, without admitting that he has respect for it.

For fucks sake.

There is a part of the constitution that prohibits someone that has completed 2 terms as president from being vp afterwards.

I understand what you are saying. But i believe that it is not really representative of what is happening or needs to happen to the usa as a whole.

Brownback just wasnt strong enough of a virus to build immunity to this sickness.

He may have been an slight inoculation for some people, but the immune system as a whole went on and then forgot about the weak virus.

what is happening now is a bigger bug. Lets just hope the fever doesnt kill us.

Yeah i think we will soon be far along enough that my personal feelings about this, in comparison to a random unpopular kansas govenor, are irrelevant and not a fair comparison. Its hardly a fair comparison right now.

I had to look up brownback tbh.

The “sam brownback concept” isnt a thing. But there are real examples of the yoyo slinging back hard enough to hit someone in the face and make them reconsider letting out the string again.

Im worried that at this point, for all the destruction and permanent damage hes done, that we may just need him to stick around and break more things.

If he kicks off tomorrow, we could have this happen again. It all gets washed under the rug and hes replaced with more subtle powers. It only took 4 years for the majority of the usa to forget the first round of damage he caused, after all.

But then again, if he lasts too long, we risk never recovering.

There is a sick, nihilistic balance to all this now imo. I want a guarantee that we dont slip down this road again. And unfortunately more pain may be the only way to guarantee it for the next few generations.

I feel dirty even saying it. But in my gut, i believe it.

More flies with honey they say… but i still cant get this usb right the first try.

You just said it. You already know why one side is getting bombed and the other isnt. In the most polite way possible, dont be dense. You know and so do i.

This is politics my friend. And not even good politics. No use worrying about things like casualties or logic or efficiency.

Hell, we threw out sensible foreign influence months ago. When we are tarrifing and threatening invasion of our closest allies, where is there real room for the lives of random muslims in some desert? They mean nothing.

We have a mandate now.

Ok. Shoot them all.

Ill be back here trying to talk to my neighbor first like the rational human being i am.

get to it. Times wasting to kill em all. Lets be honest. You’ve only got one attempt before they come to gun you down in response, so be efficient. I bet you can get a couple before they drop you like a dog. Label you a psychopath and a radical. Hell you can even be a terrorist.

Meanwhile i can plant little seeds and talk to hundreds of people. Change hearts and minds over time. Bring people to my cause.

I dont think that this is a refutation of the two party system at all. I think this is a rebalancing of the system in likes to the tea party surge of the kid 2000s.

It isnt a rebuttal. Its a response. as much as the democratic party hates it, it still is well within the status quo and thats why schumer will hang his arms on the cross so to speak. Hes the willing and able party pariah. It is manufactured.

And thats why im worried it isnt enough. Its why im angry still.

I know what newsmax is.

I also known that this is just enough cognitive dissonance to maybe turn someone…

Its a matter of “if they can turn on a dime, you can too”.

I get that they are doubling down. I also get that this is the first disconnect they have had with mainstream media in eight years. And maybe that is my in.

I understand that it is a small shift, but honestly, its the first shift ive seen in many of them in almost a decade. Ill take it.

Marching it the streets.

Mass protests.

Malicious compliance.

Organized disruptions of everyday life.

Sabotage.

All that first.

Guns are for when they refuse those.

You are a literal years ahead of the curve when it comes to lasting change. Be a martyr if you want. I dont care. But if we didnt follow behind luigi, we arent there yet. So shoot someone and get gunned down. Be my guest. You first.

Have you even done the bare minimum of protest before advocating for fucking violence? Are you lazy or just an armchair antagonizer?

To be perfectly clear, being prepaired and being in shape is good for you. Do that. But lets look at history. Look at the civil rights era for reference.

Being in shape and well armed doesnt do shit. It took one unarmed black lady not moving on a bus to be a nexus. after dozens had already done the same. It was on purpose. It had organization.

Look at how long it took after that before the black panthers marched on the capital with guns and congress got so scared to push firearm reforms, but somehow was not be the nexus of change.

They didnt care abour busses. and being armed doesnt do shit. Organizing does. Protest does.

The nexus wasnt firearms. It was people getting together and protesting every way they could. For literal years.

As a prolific gun owner myself, i dont hold any faith in them. My faith is in something coalescing into a movement. And that movement isnt firepower. You cant beat the united states military and the complex it built anyways.

But you can change hearts and minds. it takes organization. Protest will always be better. Love your neighbor and be a nuisance until you change their heart.

That being said, guns are also an option, but if it takes less than a decade of this bs to get you to shoot someone, you just wanted to shoot someone to begin with. And as much as i own and use guns and, somewhat ironically, abhore violence, im not going to be the person to change your mind if thats what you are set on.

Damn.

Trump doesnt need to manipulate much. I live in deep red country. They are upset that fox has “completely changed” and they want to go to newsmax instead.

They are soooo fucking close to getting it. But the propaganda seed has already been planted.

For fucks sake…

I hate my state sometimes…

Ok. Alot of times.

I agree on principal. And i agree with you 100% on your sentiment. In fact i got downvoted and fought pretty hard on lemmy to try and hold judgement on the people affected. (And by pretty hard i mean i said something that people slightly objected to. I did nothing really)

I also have, through local interactions, found that the particular community involved are in complete willful ignorance about this subject.

They dont care.

Seminole isnt far away from me. Local buisinesses here where i am are directly connected. They were traveling there literally this weekend. Ive interacted with the community involved and they say it is a no issue or fake news. Its all coolaid all the way through.

They dont care. Its gods will.

My standards on judgement still hold, but in my experience the evidence at this point is not anything that exonerates any of them in the slightest…

Its all cult mentality. But this time it isnt rfk and trump. Its just hardcore religion and blinders.