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  • That’s the UN data for Hong Kong, but it was easy enough to find the page for the PRC, excluding Hong Kong and Macao. The figures still line up well enough (noting, as the other page does that it exclude statistics about people interred in the “vocational training schools”), although the UN doesn’t have figures post 2016.

    UN page doesn’t seem to have execution rates either, which would also impact incarceration rates.

    Not to say that the US isn’t atrocious and also terrible on all those metrics, and plumbing new lows with each successive presidency. I was just kinda hoping for some more official PRC reported figures.







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    Yes. The Second World War had a deathtoll about 60 times higher. (.3 is much more than I gave it credit for.)

    Korean War probably more than 3 million.

    Returning to smaller scale war is not an end of war. Nor even close to ending wars. Imperialism causes wider ranging wars is all, as whole networks of military apparatus are mobilised. Modern empires are more nebulous.

    Edit: also, your WW2 figure is including civilians and acts of genocide. I think your Vietnamese figure is combatants only.


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    Yes, the Korean war was the biggest with soldiers from dozens of countries dying in action, with a localised theatre.

    But how many of those civil wars were hot parts of the Cold War? Can we not lump them into a single Cold War total?

    The death toll of the world wars is huge, but equally the death tolls of the strife across Saharan and Central Africa and the Middle East isn’t insignificant. Do we just leave it off the record because the combatants are only our proxies? Fighting with our guns, for our benefit, rather than a war on land we’ve yet to relinquish control over?

    Edit: though I’ve gone on a massive tangent. My original point that I let my mind forget and spout off on a tangent, was that there have been lots of wars with coalitions of allies feeding arms to the sides, as we now see in Ukraine in the intervening 70 years. Just less close to home.