Sure. And who did you convince with that argument that wasn’t already voting for the Democrat?

You want me to be someone who didn’t vote or didn’t vote Democrat, but bruh. I’ve put more time and money into Democratic campaigns, working directly with candidates them elected, than you probably ever will in your entire life. I’ve been on stage with Katie Porter. I personally have dialed the number of almost every fucking veteran in Rashida Tlaibs district to do wellness checks during COVID. Rashida won her district with 70% support. She was extremely critical of both the Democrats and Israel. 🤔

Vote harder is a failure of electoralism. Blue no matter who DOESNT WORK as rhetoric. You WILL get another Republican elected if you keep at it. “Strategic voting” isn’t strategic if it costs you the game.

IYou want to pretend you’ve got some kind of moral high hand. Blaming voters; not trying to understand them and address the real criticism that the Biden presidency was kind-of a joke and didn’t really do shit for people: The insistence that we should just “vote our interests” by voting Democrat: it cost us our democracy.

and you are basically insisting on doing it again.

You want the election to have been about Republicans versus Democrats so that you can blame non-voters or anti-genocide voters, whomever.

Democrats and those who repeat their arguments simply needed to do better. They needed better policies to run on and needed to do something other than “Republicans bad” as rhetoric. “Republicans bad” when a persons life gets just as worse under Democratic rule as it does under Republican rule falls flat.

Blaming people who didn’t vote: You will lose us another election if you continue with this, and you’ve now been notified. You won’t be able to deny accountability if you continue with this strategy to rhetoric.

I just want you to appreciate that its, really, deeply, not worth my time to continue doing the of explaining why, that the perspective you refuse to move from: that its the voters fault; is part and parcel with the mechanism of how Democrats lose elections.

You just have to decide what you want more: Do you want to insist that you are right in what arguments and how you think about elections, or do you you want to beat MAGA and fascism?

You can’t have both. The Democrats drove the USS YourExactApproachToElectoralism right into the cliffs. If you can’t change your mind, and understand that how you are having this conversation was precisely is an extension of how the Democrats are managed as controlled opposition: we’re fucked.

Just set up the framing right? Lets take it apart. You want this to be framed as a "Well Democrats were bad, but Republicans were worse™. This trope has been repeated endlessly for the previous 60 years. Literately, the entire modern political hegemony (starting with the southern strategy; basically the end of the Roosevelt social Democrats), has been couched in this rhetorical framing.

Look at what you are trying to do with your framing. You are trying to set me up as if I’m defending or care even one iota about Republicans. Buddy, I have not one lick of influence on anything any Republican could ever think or do. I couldn’t convince a republican or the republican party of ANYTHING. I have 0 influence on them. My opinions or perspectives of the Republicans are utterly moot: because I have no carriage with them. They’ll never come to my perspectives, I’ll never come to theirs.

You have it burned into your head that this was a choice between two sides: but it never actually was, and it hasn’t been since… 1996? There has been no tangible center in the American electorate in at least 30 years.

Your job this election cycle, as an obviously intelligent and informed voter, your job was to get people off the couch and interested in voting. And your rhetoric, this rhetoric you are using right now: it does the opposite of that, and exponentially more so for low information voters. Literally, this presentation, that I, the voter looking to be convinced, “have to” do something, when you offer me, basically nothing other than “well the other team is pretty bad too”: what exactly is it you think that does to voters?

Again, its a broken record, and its clear that you aren’t interested in actually winning elections because you don’t have the introspection necessary.

Maybe just try and appreciate the deep cynicism of your perspective.

In the same way you are trying to blame non-voters for having nothing to vote for, you are not taking accountability for the shit show we find ourselves in.

Think about your rhetoric: Whose mind is changed because of how you think, and then you expressing it?

How many people did you (or the Democrats for that matter) convince with this perspective?

Republican bad; voters should [<be>, <do>, <think>] xyz: That’s not at how elections, electoralism, or voters work.

You just simply have to come to terms with that. How you think the world works in regards to electoralism; its not how it works, and that not working was put on extreme display in November.

Do you want to win elections or not? Thats the first question to answer. Then, if you say “yes” to that first question, you then have to come to terms with the fact that your perspective, the dominant, mainstream, corporate Democrat perspective: it loses elections. It doesn’t work.

I guess you just want to keep not getting it then. Cus what you are doing, how you are thinking, acting, talking: Its why we lost the election.

You don’t get it. But you also don’t want to get it. You want to be “right” but your approach to politics has lost the popular cause of the people, and just, objectively loses elections.

You can either “be right”, on your own terms, or you can win elections. You can’t have both.

Here is the biggest hint of your lifetime: Democrats losing elections has nothing to do with Republicans.

It’s exasperating to have both: a) warned, extensively and explicitly, with detailed analysis and specific examples—not just months, but years in advance—that the Democrats’ 2024 strategy was failing; and b) to have to keep explaining, over and over, to people who think they understand how things ‘should’ have gone, that Democrats did campaign exactly as they claim—and lost dramatically as a result.

Look you caught the bull by its horns, but I want you to bear with me. You think “some thing” about electoralism; and its one that wasn’t borne out by reality.

Is it the thing which is wrong or you and your thinking? You wanted the election, the electorate, electoralism itself, to be something other than what it was: If you (and Democrats in general) keep approaching elections in this manner, we will never win another election.

You can either meet the moment and find voters where they are at, hear their issues, address them or say how you’ll address them, and ask them to join your cause, or you can continue to tell them that they are wrong for what they think and do, and they better vote for you or else they’ll get the fascist.

Which do you think grows a base and which one shrinks a base?

idk man I kinda believe the sign.

You analysis is spot on.

Harris threw away an easy layup. Trump was as unpopular as Biden when Biden dropped out.

And the Democratic machine couldnt make a W happen because they are owned by AIPAC. They would have had to call the genocide for what it was.

Corporate media is 100% working to make people who think alternative media is pod save, believe he is that guy.

Pete doesn’t get to be a candidate until he wins a federal election. Straight up. No candidate who haven’t won a race at SOME Federal level or very high (state Governerships count).

You need to show you can win elections. The only election Pete was to be a small town mayor. He was awarded for the ratfucking of progressives in 2020 with a cabinet position. And its like. Fine. But go win an election Pete, a real one. Where more than 30k votes are cast.

He’s the democratic equivalent of Marco Rubio.

The man is silly putty. He’ll adopt whatever ethos you imprint upon him.

Mistake doesn’t seem like the right word here.

Intentionally and illegally seem more correct.

Remember when Biden aides kept him in a delusional state for 3 years?

Pepperidge farms remembers.

plz keep her tx

Bruh I don’t even know 314 things about me.

Don’t try to do anything about it or we will fuck you up <- We are here. How the fuck did we get here?

• Come at me bro <- Where we’re going.

However he’s now the chair of the DNC

Did we win that fight? I may have missed that one in the milieu.

I mean I’ve been calling for a general strike but…

If you think being a woman is why they lost you are an absolute idiot, and will quite litterally lose to the next Republican they run after Trump, who I promise, will be the most dedicated, fascist woman you’ve ever heard of.