Belgian 29 year old male, accountant, into physical fitness, outings and watching TV series/films. Enjoy pestering you about your political views and interested in economics.

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  • I ring my bell when I pass people that won’t see me on my e-bike.

    if I wanted to be a complete fucking jackass, I’d just pass them at 30 km per hour without making a sound.

    I’m sure they would love that.

    It’s the responsibility of the vehicle user to make sure that people know of them.

    Noise is extremely useful as it’s a 360 radius.

    It’s annoying, but useful.

    Unless you can come up with other solutions to make pedestrians aware of vehicles. Beyond just looking. It’s extremely easy for a pedestrian to put their foot on the road before looking sideways just because he heard nothing.






  • They all have access to education. My wife can go follow a master in European and international law in the university of Antwerp right now if she wishes to do it. It’s in English.

    She can follow baking classes. Pretty much anything. Since she arrived here with a bachelor’s degree already.

    The older generation that came here without formal education. They didn’t speak English. All the effort invested in them was just to teach them Dutch. There’s training at vdab for jobs that are easy to get. But these jobs don’t pay that much.

    Our economy is based on human capital. We are quite competitive on this. So to compete with natives for jobs, you need to be educated from a young age.

    That’s just a reality. The best paying jobs that immigrants that can’t speak the language would get would be construction.


  • The part of the source you’re quoting is about 2nd generation, not first generation.

    We do set a high level of segregation based on school performance. But they all have education.

    I’d take this with a grain of salt. We have labour, technical and general. They each have their pros and cons. I don’t really like the way they choose who to put where. They put me in technical, after a few years I chose to go to general.

    Kinda a mistake, technical had better teaching than general. Perhaps just the school, but with technical it felt like the education was just of a higher quality. While it’s ranked lower than general based on people stereotyping it.

    We definitely need to get away from that kind of thing. Streamline it. All kids in the same segment and let them choose themselves what they want at age 14 instead of being chosen for at age 12.

    My source says that second generation immigrants outperform native population. Simply because they have to catch up on the ladder. They see how their parents struggle. How their family struggle. They want to make the best of it.

    So then they simply put in more effort. Perhaps will develope a bit of an unhealthy relationship with money but whatever.



  • The problem usually is lack of education within their home countries. That’s the difference between EU migrants and non EU migrants. I suppose.

    Someone that went to school until age 14 won’t have it as easy to integrate. Mostly they’ll get minimum wage jobs. Which don’t pay taxes.

    That’s why they do bad on statistics I guess.

    But nowadays, places around the world have been booming education wise. Now it’s pure brain drain to get young abled people to come here.

    The statistics are more based on older generations, which globally, were less educated.


  • These people can’t legally enter the country as far as I’m aware. So yeah, they become homeless.

    Giving money to economic refugees that aren’t self sufficient is just… at best, turning them into baby factories for next generation worker bees.

    My country has an aging population, perhaps it’s beneficial? Not sure.

    Actually it’s easy to see if it’s beneficial. Look at social refugees. Their kids get higher education.

    There’s enough war in the world though. We don’t need economic refugees on top of the social refugees.

    But then again, need to question how easy those economic refugees are to integrate.

    They aren’t traumatised by war, so it should be easier.

    A lot of angles to look from


  • The 31,5k USD was because of emergency services lol. What do you think emergency services are? Goes to hospital. By law cannot be refused treatment. It’s expensive.

    Being housed prevents needing those medical services that cannot be refused. Hence it’s cheaper to house someone.

    The cheapest option is to let them die.

    Social housing isn’t about getting people to be self sufficient. It’s just about giving them a comfortable life.

    The return on investment comes from their children. Not the parents.

    if you want to show a source that it’s good for the economy. Then show one where the person’s taxes outweigh their social transfers.

    Which is difficult to do for older people. They need investments, then they do low paying jobs. The difference between their low paying jobs and doing nothing is basically the same amount of income.

    So they don’t have much motivation. Their income during their work life is low, then they get a pension. Net loss for government.

    Their kids however. They went to school at a young age, get higher education. They get a well paying job. Very profitable.

    We have social housing here in Belgium, you get it after waiting 2 years. Which means… only the chronic low income people get it. They usually die in it. Cheap rent.

    Here you don’t become homeless easily. You have unemployment benefits. You don’t get medical bankruptcy. You get living wage. Blablabla

    Temporary income shocks are completely taken by social security. These people don’t get social housing because they can just continue paying their mortgage or rent.

    So you already need to take these people out of your studies. Because yeah, giving housing to short term homeless people will be very beneficial. They just are in-between jobs.

    Now, the ones that have social housing, there’s something wrong there. They aren’t self sufficient because of chronic reasons. These people will worsen the results of your studies.

    It’s like looking at immigration studies and including the EU immigrants with the non EU immigrants. While one part obviously scores better than the other.


  • Still takes years to learn the language with those classes and these classes are social transfers to the immigrants, but a good investment with return.

    The requirement is neither of those things. The requirement is self sufficiency.

    If you’re rich enough, then I don’t care if you don’t learn the language and that you don’t work.

    You’re spending into our economy with likely passive income coming from your global investments.

    Or you have family members that take care of your cost of living. All fine.

    If you want to have a job, then as I priorly stated. Either in Dutch or English.

    Both would work. If the infrastructure is in English, then the ability to make immigrants self sufficient becomes a lot easier. Good for our economy.

    If we don’t want to do these investments, then the immigrant needs to learn Dutch.

    Those are the only options.

    My wife speaks English at her job. Did 2 Dutch classes. Most of the people in flanders speak English so communication goes well.

    Ego of natives to be spoken to by their preferred language is economically irrelevant so I ignore that.