I make no apology for my tone. However, although I do object strongly to your started position on this matter, I have no quarrel with you as an individual!

And again, any positive effect from his actions was not his goal nor his intent. So giving him credit for that is foolhardy at best. We should stop normalizing putting self absorbed sociopaths on any pedestal, for any reason. Nothing this man has ever done or accomplished is in any way praiseworthy. And we should not encourage him or others who might wish to emulate him, not even unintentionally.

I do not see any benefit on looking for the illusory middle ground in this case.

It all comes back to the paradox of intolerance I think. If you fail to see an overwhelming every such as fascism in very strict black and white terms, you are not only putting yourself in harms way, you are actively allowing others to come Uber fire as well.

Yes. I approach the issue of Nazi shit stains like Musk in a very black and white perspective. And you should to. In fact, given the context, I find your response honestly deplorable. Even if we forget about Musk and focus on the propaganda issue, your response opens the door to assisting the spread dangerous misinformation that very realistically can cause actual pain and suffering.

Shame on you.

Well, in short, by definition it spreads misinformation. Even if a particular propaganda message is technically truthful, by design the message has been alerted to focus on certain things while obscuring others. In other words, it’s not only inherently subjective, but it’s designed to be misinterpreted as objective.

Finally, I do not support any of the common causes or ideas that propaganda is usually intended to reinforce (e.g. patriotism sounds harmless, even positive, but largely is used to encourage bigotry and xenophobia).

What’s wrong with propaganda? Everything.

Oh, no, you see it’s just a placeholder for when he dies.

I don’t care how positive the apparent outcome; I simply cannot agree with giving somebody credit for propaganda. Because essentially, that’s what you’re talking about.

We don’t need confidence men like Musk or Trump. They have nothing but their own interests in mind. So he accidentally had a small positive influence? Big deal. If he hadn’t spoken up, another would’ve taken his place.

He deserves no credit, just as he deserves no sympathy.

All your Greenland/Canada/Panama belong to us.

Ah hell no.

Real Genius. That’s where it’s at

There’s a loophole to prevent filibuster - 60 votes ends debate, and there’s enough fascist Dems for that. So he’s halting business anyway.

I say give him some credit.

This is a very relevant detail I had missed. Thank you for pointing it out!

Lol, no.

That sounds like a terrible way to facilitate anything other than making the conflict worse.

That’s literally the definition of cognitive dissonance. And it’s a hallmark of literal brainwashing. Like, for real this is a common tactic in cults. I outta know, for what it’s worth, cause I grew up Mormon. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Yeah, holding the citizens victims of authoritarians accountable for the actions of their corrupt leaders had helped humanity so much. Take your useless bigotry and shove it where the sun don’t shine.

I will not be reciprocating this bullshit sentiment if/when this disease spreads to wherever you live. And spread it will…

Oh, it’s very logical; but the goal absolutely is to reduce voter turnout even further (and our turnout is disturbingly bad already). But honestly, you ought to spend some time looking into ways of disenfranchising voters. You really might be surprised how devious they tactics have become. Just saying

Ah-ha, the goalposts move.

No. The incompetence of those responsible is irrelevant.

I’m done, anyway…

I don’t see it. There’s some pretty big jumps to get from a to b.

I cannot fathom how you arrive at such a conclusion. Like, I figure you know not to trust the “news” anymore; but, dude, don’t trust the media?

Screeching? Ummm…you mad bro???

Umm. What? No. Seriously. Wtf mate?!?

I think mass murder is despicable. Considering the US government had engaged in large scale extra judicial killings for decades (whether red or blue, no fucking difference), my country disgusts me. But, are you legit saying doing so incompentently is the problem? Not the murder. The incompetence.

Touch grass, god damn weirdo.

Ummm, the longer your posts get, the more you make a for feel like you’re getting paid dude. Wow.

The Democrats cut that shit off and offered it as appeasement. The fuck you on about?