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Cake day: July 3rd, 2023

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  • I leveled with him today and said that I was really disappointed about our conversation and I wanted to talk about it more. I approached them from a place of wanting to understand their position but also make sure they had all the information. I presented everything calmly w wide ranging sources from PBS to the Cato Institute. It’s just a straight up bad idea to deport these people. I showed him that the Heritage Foundation had no actual fact or statistics on their website to support their claims – just that illegals are illegal – he found that compelling.

    He ended up saying he was not super informed and that there’s so much propaganda and information overload that it feels like we can’t even know what’s real. Everyone’s lying or has an agenda. I totally get it.

    We both got a lot out of it. I think it’s worth it to try engaging with people who are actually willing.


  • I talked to a friend about the deportations and he said he “doesn’t care” because they “broke the law.” I showed how it will hurt us economically, how these people aren’t committing crimes, how it will hurt real human beings. He said he didn’t care. I don’t know how to deal with that. This action will only create pain for everyone, hell even the elites may be minutely inconvenienced by it… why are we doing it?

    Some people are legitimately so simple that “no paperwork == deportation” even if it means death and suffering. Even when they know that the “right way” to come here takes a decade and is too costly. It’s like humans have forgotten how to feel empathy. If I sat these people at the border and had them talk to the desperate mothers and fathers and children, would they be moved? How do you reason with someone that legitimately thinks “I don’t care if people die over paperwork”

    It feels like we’re gleefully goose stepping toward “just following orders” and it’s horrific.


  • I think that was a good read. I think the problem I have is that if I look back at my 20 year old self or my 23-year-old self, I see someone that was extremely self assured but had almost 0 real world experience or context for decision-making about very important things.

    I think it is disingenuous to absolve them of all blame, but I don’t think it’s inappropriate to say that it’s not surprising that they are young men given how easy it would be for someone who should be a role model to influence them. Elon Musk’s team is young so he can control them







  • naught@sh.itjust.workstomemes@lemmy.worldA bit late
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    11 months ago

    I am a man and I am affected 0% by this meme. This meme was a chance to display some empathy and understand why it might be that the bear analogy strikes a chord with many women.

    When I go to the grocery store, do I have to think about being snatched? My privilege affords me the convenience of not worrying about that. Do I need to worry about being sexually assaulted walking home? Statistically, probably not. There are a whole host of problems and horrific fates that befall women disproportionately, and very often at the hands of men.

    Why would a woman feel safer with a bear?

    The 750,000 black bears of North America kill less than one person per year on the average, while men ages 18-24 are 167 times more likely to kill someone than a black bear.

    Most attacks by black bears are defensive reactions to a person who is too close, which is an easy situation to avoid. Injuries from these defensive reactions are usually minor.

    https://bear.org/bear-facts/how-dangerous-are-black-bears

    Since 1784 there have been 82 fatal human/bear conflicts by wild brown bears in North America. Yellowstone National Park has seen a mere 8 since being established in 1872, which is only one more than the number of people who have died from a falling tree.

    https://bearvault.com/bear-attack-statistics/

    Seems to me that even I would be safer with a bear than a man. Makes you think, doesn’t it?


  • naught@sh.itjust.workstomemes@lemmy.worldA bit late
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    11 months ago

    I haven’t said anything to you. I’m not telling anyone they’re wrong. It seems to me the bear discussion revolves around the fact that many if not most women are distrustful of men because of violence, misogyny, etc. Your subjective experience doesn’t change that, but neither is it invalid.