Is it about perception or making people forget? I don’t think it makes sense to have it both ways, the perception created by a death trial keeps this in people’s minds and runs contrary to making people forget.

If they wanted to memory-hole him they should have just shot for a long sentence, like 40 years or something. Life ruining but ultimately uninteresting for the average voter. By sending a message they force people to remember; “Oh yeah, a CEO got murdered on the street. Wasn’t that cool?”

Okay, but they could accomplish that by not attempting to seek the death penalty. If they simply tried to imprison him for 40 years the exact same effect would be achieved, but without grabbing headlines.

“”“typos”“”

Okay, but Fox does exist and it’s not going to be outlawed any time soon. Not having a response to Fox is liberal idealism.

It’s one of the reasons we’re in this situation.

Do you prefer Democrats being unable to fight back because any attempt to do so would be smeared by the media? It’s not like corporate media is unbiased, they just aren’t biased towards Democrats.

One of the Democrats’ greater failures is the lack of a Party media infrastructure that they could use to control the narrative. Republicans have Fox and the right-wing media ecosystem, but Democrats never bothered to capture their own media to push their own message and agenda.

There are definitely friendly media groups, but they’re not loyal. They just happen to agree with Democrats more than Republicans. If the government shut down they’d turn on Democrats.

Only one party has media control and so only one party controls the message. I have no doubt that Democrats would have failed to defend themselves if they voted against Republicans - but that speaks to their failure to make their own media more than the vote itself.

It’s like they want jury nullification.

Elon Musk is the one running things.

If it’s lose/lose, why didn’t they choose to lose with dignity instead of lose like cowards?

Yeah, this framing is all wrong. It portrays Trump’s regime as incompetent, but the reality is that they’re just lying. “Oops, soo sorry, it’s out of our hands!”

I’m trans. How long until they decide my ID is fake and that means I’m here illegally and come to disappear me too?

Look on the bright side; he’s fat and old and doesn’t believe in exercise and loves fast food.

Well when the choice is dying in a firefight with the gICEtapo or being tortured to death in an El Salvadoran prison…

I’m open to the possibility that Chinese law enforcement has some kind of racial/ethnic bias against a minority group or that the anti-extremism campaign has had excesses, but comparing that to the systematic campaign of starvation and slaughter being carried out by Israel is absurd. I say “whatever you think China is doing” because you seem to think you can compare it to the modern Holocaust happening right now. Is China butchering people by the thousands? Are they starving a million children to death?

Comparing what Israel is doing with whatever you think China is doing makes it clear which one is worse.

If ICE agents showed up to arrest you and refused to present a warrant would you be legally justified in shooting them?

Look on the bright side: when the economy crashes you’ll be able to sell your car for more!

All the schools and hospitals in the world aren’t going to stop people from harming each other. Get it?

Reeducation and rehabilitation you stupid shitbag, why is this so hard for you to understand?

Talking to you is self harm.

So… we go all the way back to my previous point where I said you think it’s okay to imprison people for life even with the possibility that they are innocent.

I said to keep the prisons open until we replace them. That necessarily means we aren’t imprisoning people for life, because the prisons will close. We just hold them for the length of time it takes to replace the prisons with schools and hospitals.

Get it?

Also I don’t know where you got the idea that I actually support life imprisonment? I only said it’s better than the death penalty.

I keep repeating myself because you seem to be willfully misunderstanding me over and over.

What should we be doing instead of sending people to prison before we live in a society where people don’t commit crimes worthy of incarceration?

Well I literally said we can keep the prisons open while we build the hospitals and schools. There’s no where else to put people who are a danger to themselves and others.

Also, we can definitely redefine what a “crime” even is; so many people are locked up that don’t need to be.

To be clear, since you don’t seem to understand what I’m saying, I’m saying that hospitals and schools replace the prisons. In a just society, antisocial behavior would be treated with rehabilitation in hospitals and reeducation in schools. Again, the hospitals and schools replace the prisons.

I’m sorry that I keep repeating myself but it seems like there’s some fundamental disconnect with what I’m saying that you don’t seem to be understanding. Are we communicating through translation software?

Well we could start by massively reducing the prison population. If we addressed crowding, existing prisons would be far more humane.

I’m sure there needs to be a phase-out period while we build hospitals and schools, it really wouldn’t take that long if we actually marshalled all the forces of production on the project. If we built as fast as China we could replace all prisons in a year.