You… don’t think that some middle and upper middle class people face tight budgets?
You “seriously” are trying to argue against that?
Beyond which, the Model 3 isn’t that expensive compared other new models. But eating a $10,000 loss on a car can be difficult for many people.
I mean we know their sales numbers: ~39,000
I’m way too lazy to try to figure out how many Teslas are on the road, but they sold 350,000 in the USA in 2022 alone and I think they doubled that in 2023, although by that point the mask was coming off.
Yes. I get that and I agree with you. But now we’re missing the context: This discussion started over harassing if not attacking Tesla owners in general. My original point is that many if not most Tesla owners bought their vehicles before Musk took off the mask. It’s fine to point out Cybertruck owners as making the decision knowingly, but keep in mind they are like .005 percent of all Tesla owners.
Nah, I’m just pointing out how numbers work.
Hundreds of thousands of Teslas were sold before Musk pulled off the mask. Cybertrucks account for a tiny percent of Teslas.
By all means, boycott Tesla. I sure as hell wouldn’t buy one anymore.
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Okay? So a truck that has sold almost nothing?
I think the real answer, and what could actually hurt Tesla, is flooding the market with cheap used Teslas. If you don’t care about the politics and optics and are looking to buy a Tesla, you might be able to pick up a gently used one at a major discount. This could drive buyers away from show rooms and new cars, which could cripple Tesla.
To be clear, I do not support attacking or harassing Tesla owners. Doing so will only swell the ranks of the alt-right.
And I wish you the worst of luck in your efforts to swell the alt-right’s ranks!
It’s hilarious that you think that you are fighting against the Nazis. Nah, you’re just one of their pawns.
Fuck Musk, I hope he gets what he deserves. Fuck Tesla, I would never buy one, not any more. But I’m not going to be an unwitting supporter of their long-term goals.
The alt-right is making obvious plays following well-known playbooks, and you’re lapping it up, doing exactly what they want you to do.
what in my comment in any way justifies this response? Yes, I’m familiar with how this is used on Reddit.
Do you actually have anything to say or?
Yeah guys you realize that many, probably most Tesla owners bought their cars before Musk fully took off the mask right? Now I know all the lemmies have unlimited cash and would have sold their Tesla at a loss and bought another vehicle, but outside of Lemmy a lot of people are on tight budgets.
I’d be disappointed if family or friends bought Tesla at this point or anytime in the last two’ish years but wanting to “destroy families” and “end careers” is absolutely nuts and is only going to play into the alt-right’s hands.
Safe bet that over the next few days some middle of the road suburban mom or dad is going to get accosted and perhaps attacked for driving a Tesla. Then shortly after the alt-right is going to be chatting with suburban parent saying “yeah the left, they’re crazy right?”
And guess what? The alt-right will grow by at least 1, and probably more as suburban parent drags their spouse, kids, and parents into the alt-right.
I think the best move would have been a substantial but firm and respectful break was the way to go forward.
If Kamala pushes back too hard against Joe, the establishment will question whether she grateful for his support and the opportunity he provided.
I want to tell myself that there’s no way in hell they would let this happen, let alone make it happen.
Then I remember it’s the DNC.
To be honest, this is just a signal that she probably wouldn’t have been a good leader. Better than Trump, sure, but that bar is so low it’s a tripping hazard.
She should have told Biden to pound sand after locking up the nomination.
But we should verify the claim before passing judgement.
I agree that in general these are good times. Some groups and demographics are struggling and I do think most people are feeling varying degrees of pressure from inflation and other issues.
Of course, people in hotspots, like Ukraine, Syria, and Gaza, are having a much worse time.
What I do think is a serious risk is that a lot of groups could end up hit very hard if the economy were to go into a downturn. People suffer during every downturn, of course, but I think any downturn now could quickly grow severe and match or exceed the Great Recession.
Like I said in my original comment:
“A lot of people are struggling of course,”
The deportations are terrible now. Imagine how they’d be if the world fell into a Great Depression. I’d be legitimately worried about frequent lynchings of immigrants.
What’s really got me sweating is the fact that we’re living in sorta good times. A lot of people are struggling of course, and serious issues are unfolding, but imagine what the world could look like if we get hit by the next Great Recession or Great Depression. Things could quickly go from very bad to much, much worse.
yeah pretty much every headline could simply be:
Trump/Vance/MAGA Does Exactly What They Told Everyone They’d Do
and the subheader line could be: Traditional Democrats/Media shocked that Trump/Vance/Maga did least shocking thing ever.
The headline is factually incorrect and I suspect intentionally inflammatory.
A White House official has allegedly said this, and that official is an economist working on economic policies rather than military or intelligence.
It’s still scary and suggesting anything this extreme around Trump is a horrible idea because he is so impulsive.
But, we need to be careful not to misconstrue or misrepresent things as doing so could give ammo to the Trump administration
lol. I assure you, the one who’s tone deaf here is absolutely you.
Buying a used car comes with various risks and it’s easy to end up with a bad deal. If you know what you’re doing and you have a bit of luck you can find good deals. But that’s not everyone, many people are rightly afraid they could get ripped off or just suffer some bad luck and not have a warranty to bail you out.
And there are plenty of middle and upper middle class people on tight budgets not due to luxury.
Do you realize how many people are bankrupted by medical costs?
Do you realize people get laid off, suffer debilitating injuries, or otherwise take a big hit to their income and finances through little to no fault of their own?
If you were making $125,000 a year five years ago, buying a Model E could make financial sense (save on gas, once solid resale value, longevity, etc.)
Then a few years you lose your job. Selling your tesla at a steep lose in that situation could be a really bad move depending on your position (especially if the care is paid for.)
The amount of examples here is endless.