• Majorllama@lemmy.world
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    Something something enjoy your republican overlords for the rest of time.

    Seriously what the fuck is the democratic party doing anymore. It seriously feels like the second Obama left they collectively forgot what the fuck they were doing.

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      The people running the show since Obama left are the ones that are still pissed he beat Hillary in 08.

      Instead of reshaping the DNC, Obama ignored it and Hillary’s people have had a hold of it except the brief few months Donna Brazil got in. And since she went public with all the shit they’d been doing, we haven’t seen anything else for 8 years.

      They know exactly what they’re doing won’t win elections.

      They know exactly what will win elections instead.

      But that’s not what fills their campaign coffers, so that’s not what we’ll get from them.

      The goals of Dem voters and Dem leadership haven’t been aligned for decades.

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        Politicians should have to be able to publicly account for every single dollar in their bank accounts. Something tells me if we somehow could magically make that happen tomorrow there wouldn’t be a politician left.

        Maybe Bernie lol.

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          The magical way is having won an election and spending the next 4 years passing legislation and letting people know every day that you are working towards it, showing results every day of every month until the end of mandate

          But yeah for that you need to win an election first

          And be consistent

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        I still remember when Donna Brazile destroyed her reputation and lost her job after getting caught leaking questions for a CNN event to the Hilary campaign. Isn’t she one of Hilary’s people?

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            Thank you so much for sharing this, this was exactly the kind of very credible (and wonderfully succinct) detail I needed to finally get some closure on 2016. I knew Hillary fucked us, goosed the whole party to try to force her way in.

            In my opinion the ongoing failure of the Democrat party is significantly caused by this exact saga. I think this was the point many passionate people (like myself) were forced to realize “oh. The Democrats aren’t working for us either, the whole goddamn thing is rigged against all of us”, and there’s never been the same enthusiasm since.

            When people blame Democrats-the-party-leadership, this is what I think of. Still infuriates me to this day, things could have been different. Now all these years later here we are, the “deplorables” she derided - people Bernie would have sincerely sought common ground with! - are well on their way to fascism.

            Edit: grammar

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        "Are there changes that we need to make? "

        Man this is absolutely telling

        These guys lost an election and are still dancing around the possibility that they might need to change tactics LMAO 🤣

        They say at the end that the moment was viral but maybe viral for them is different than for the rest of us the blue collar workers

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      Authoritarianism is oddly efficient in making decisions and having direction. Such are the perils of democracy… an opposition that embodies shared decision making and balance of power will often look slower, incompetent and out of touch…

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    I spend WAY too much time online and see all the stupid viral videos because of it, and I pay attention to politics a LOT more than the average American does getting their hour of news propaganda from billionaire-owned media each night from the TV and facebook posts from their bubble of “friends”.

    What fucking viral Tuna Melt moment?

    Only 80 year old geriatric with dementia would consider that viral, wait.

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      What fucking viral Tuna Melt moment?

      I’m pretty sure she’s being ironic. The giveaway is “very memorable” – if it really were memorable you wouldn’t say it that way.

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        It’s like when a videogame company shows. A graph of total accounts for a game instead of the actual revenue, because the revenue numbers are bad, and the only positive is the number of accounts

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    The Problem with the left is that they actually have different opinions. The right is just different shades of Nazis. The left is a bunch of fundimentally different approaches to make the world the world a better place. Therefore, of course the Nazis are going to win.

    What we are talking about is the paradox of inclusivity. Either the 99% oppress the 1%, or the 1% oppress the 99%. From an ethical, a democratic, a Constitutional, and an ecological standpoint, oppressing the 1% would be the right thing.

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      The Left seems to be made of up a bunch of different coalitions that can’t agree on the priorities to enact. People are for something but they can’t agree on what.

      The Right seems to be made up of a bunch of different coalitions that can’t agree on the priorities to repeal. People are against something but can’t agree on what. They also have Nazis.

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    The fact that people actually believe that this is all the democrats are currently doing clearly illustrates exactly why we had so many protest voters.

    It seems as if the far left won’t ever be convinced of anything unless it-

    A) Agrees with what they already believe
    B) Is in an easy-to-read meme format
    C) Comes from their communal clipboard of copypasta marxist rhetiric.

    I’m incredibly angry that trump won, but not at all surprised. These people make up not just a portion of our voting body, but also a huge portion of our NON-voting body.

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      What are they doing? Wait I’ll do you one better. What else can they do, but re-evaluate what they’ve been doing?

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        Google “Democrats” then select the “News” tab. That’ll get you going in the right direction.

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          looks at news.google.com

          searches for democrats

          finds infighting and fingerpointing at everyone besides their rich donors who control them and force them to ignore leftist policies

          So nothing, they’re whining and doing nothing

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              I’ve voted Dem my entire life, my entire life the Dems have never meaningfully improved anything except for medicare and I don’t qualify for that.

              I get it that the Dems are the ones who push policy, just to conviently break ranks and vote down their own bills whenever there is actually bills that force the rich to make concessions.

              The Duopoly works together to maintain power

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                the Dems have never meaningfully improved anything except for medicare and I don’t qualify for that.

                We will see what we want to see, but if you bothered yourself to look up from the year of your birth to now- what the democrats have done, you’d be embarrassed to have sad this.

                Not arguing futility. We can agree to disagree and end this cordially.

                Have a good day my friend.

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                  You say Democrats are constantly pushing legislation that fixes real problems and doesn’t just get undone every 4 years and set back to 0. What was something good that Biden did thatbis still around and actually helping people?

                  When people don’t meaningfully improve society and fix problems, that means they aren’t helpful.

                  Sorry you feel differently.

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    their ‘secret’, and it’s not really a secret…

    they’re loud. they scream lies all day, every day, without end.

    the counter would be to do the same, but telling the truth instead; calling out the bullshit the republicants shovel. all day, every day, without end.

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      No, you don’t call out their bullshit. That’s the trap. That lets them frame the entire conversation. You build a vision for the country that people can get behind. That’s the same thing the Republicans do, but with fear of the other.

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        If only they had 4 years to actually do that before the election

        What a shame, guess we will never know

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    What do you expect from a party that has no power? Honestly Republicans should be more pissed off, they have all 3 branches of government and they’re doing symbolic bullshit with 0 chance of success to appeal to Trump specifically, and it’ll work because he never watched School House Rock. Not that I’m complaining.

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      Remember when the Democrats had a super majority and did literally fuck all with it? No abortion law, no privacy laws, literally fucking nothing? I do. Cause I remember being real excited they might actually do something and now I’m jaded because they fucking didn’t.

      Keep watching and you’ll be just as pissed at how much the Democrats insist on fucking kneecapping themselves at every available opportunity. I mean, Jesus. Christ. Kamala ran on building the fucking wall.

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    People really fucking blame Democrats for not being in charge after those same people don’t vote for them, goddamn clown country.

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      Dems gross incompetence is the exact reason they can’t get enough votes to win what should have been the easiest election of all of our lifetimes

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          Sustaining genocide in Gaza is a big one. Kamala’s campaign was literally told by a sizeable number of voters that they wont vote for her unless she opposes it. It’s the primary reason Kamala lost the election. And that’s before mentioning that the Democratic convention didn’t even give the greater party the ability to choose a candidate. The only choices were Biden and Kamala, and neither offered any worthwhile promise to their voter base. They just hit the “were not Trump” angle expecting to automatically win because of it.

          On top of that- Failing to enshrined any trans-rights or abortion protections into law is a big one. They’re also just as anti-worker as Republicans. Biden is the one who shutdown the rail strike, claiming the workers were “too necessary” to allow them to strike.

          Democrats don’t actually care about the causes they supposedly champion. So why should voters pretend like they do?

          And as a preemptive comment: obviously Trump and Republicans are fascists. But the majority of Dems in power have more in common with their coworkers than they do with their average voter.

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            Not sure anyone has ever presented solid evidence that Kamala would have won if not for the Gaza issue. Most agree it was a contributing factor, but not a determening one. Which is scary when you think about it - the real reasons she lost appear to be more nuanced and more deeply related to general cynicism, ignorance and apathy.

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            Congratulations, Trump is in office and Israel is gunning down Lebanon citizens and buying 1000 lbs bombs again for the first time in years, news outlets saying Israel is prepping to annex and settle even more lands in the Gaza strip.

            You failed to back the peacekeepers and now so much more blood will be on your hands as a result.

            The only option is all hands on deck, push the envelope even if we don’t agree with whats in it. We can have campaign finance reform and tax the rich if you would only do that one thing.

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              What peacekeeper? Biden was supplying the genocide too. It’s a principled stance. We won’t vote for genocide whether it’s red or blue running the show. And no, the blood isn’t on my hands since I didn’t approve, or purposely give my tax money to Israel. Biden, and now Trump are doing that.

              On top of that the Biden administration had 4 years and confirmation by the Supreme Court he could essentially do whatever he wanted as president. And he still did nothing but had over the case to a DoJ that did fuck all about it.

              Also you glossed over my other points of Biden’s failures.

              Edit: You also realize Israel was literally bombing civilians in Lebanon when Biden was president right? Or did you alreadh forget ablut the pager bombs Israel planeted in Lebanon? And Biden still gave them a shit ton of weapons, and only effectively blocked one type of weapons shipment as a political maneuver.

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                I literally just told you: Israel is buying more and bigger weapons than ever. Your ignorance of that simple fact, that the genocidal Israeli government backed Trump for presidency specifically so they could be even more violent, just shows you don’t care about all of the women and children who die as a result.

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                  And I’m telling you the genocide is largely unchanged. The only difference is the names on the weapons heading into Israel and the rhetoric. But anyone paying attention knows that the rhetoric changes nothing. The only difference is that the US is mask off about supporting genocide now.

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        I remember over a decade ago when 58 Dems voted for single payer, every Republican and a couple of Independents fucked it up for us, but at least we still got the medicaid expansion that gave coverage to millions of American citizens.

        Before that, the 111th congress had a dem supermajority for only 72 days and it is the most productive congress on record since the 89th congress as far as bills passed.

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      Most the people I know that did vote for them blame them for not being in charge. Yes, it is a clown country.

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    Can someone explain me what was the tuna melt moment? All I get is literal tuna sandwiches in the Google search