No shit
Contempt of court or they’re never going to listen to you.
may have
MAY have?
They’ve wiped their ass with court orders so far, they’ve literally stated that they can ignore court orders, they literally don’t care what you say and they have made that abundantly clear
Fascism is always “bad faith”.
It’s hard for judges to recognize since they’ve devoted their entire lives to the same cause.
Let’s keep considering, suggesting, studying, pontificating and actually do something for a change? How egregious does something have to be before some form of action is done?
‘judge considering action against POTUS after dropping nuclear bombs on state capital, indicating he may have committed a crime’.
Just like they were doing on his criminal trials, just stringing things along, and we know they plan on not charging him in. The end. But very swift, against someone like mr luigi
May is disingenuous.
Oh Lord, he’s thinking about it!
I want to read a headline that says these fucks are acting on what they say, think or feel.
No wonder people on all corners of the earth are seeing why America is so backwards in politics. All of these talking heads who only SAY things more than they DO things.
Seems all the doers over there are busy sending the country, and indeed the world, down the crapper.
It may well be just the picture painted by the publications I tend to read, but it’s easy to get the impression that the democrats have fallen more or less silent (Bernie excluded), while the republicans are spewing shit from mountain tops all day long. Is that how you American folks feel, too, or is it just my news sources that are failing me?
Edit: I meant to say Bernie not included!
Your news sources are failing you as is your search tab. Here’s a video from Bernie yesterday with footage of him at the biggest rallies he and AOC have EVER held!
I’m so sorry, I meant to say except Bernie - the man is a legend.
Second reponse because I’m just blown away how you could say Bernie is silent. Here’s a live dream of the rally right the fuck now.
I wish some of our judges would grow a spine.
Spine removal is perhaps the most important stage of becoming a judge.
Yeah, and after 30 or 40 more hearings, he might consider threatening to possibly hold hearings to consider the possibility of maybe sending Trump a frowny face letter if he violates court orders another few dozen times.
Notice how not a single one of these judges is actually seriously threatening consequences. Because they know they have no enforcement power. They know that Trump’s response is going to be some variant of “What the fuck you gonna do about it if I don’t?”. They know they have zero actual answers for that, and they know exactly what it means when they are unable to answer.
They’re just stringing things along holding on to the illusion of power and hoping that people simply don’t notice that they hold no real power.
Even if the marshals refuse to comply, the federal courts do have the power to hold people accountable. They have enforcement power. They’re just too chicken shit to use it. Federal courts can deputize people to enforce orders, just like an Old West judge appointing a posse to round up an outlaw. A judge could deputize volunteers from the community and give them orders to round up people who refuse to follow court orders. I’m sure you would have zero problem finding a few hundred people willing to volunteer and show up with their own weapons to enforce a lawful court order.
If you think that a comparative handful of volunteers with some self-supplied weaponry has any chance of going up against the US Marshalls, I’ve got beachfront property on Mars you may be interested in. These people would be rounded up and disappeared to El Salvador by dinner. What you’re saying sounds like a great inspirational speech leading into the final act of a movie plot, but it’s leading lambs to the slaughter in reality.
And that’s assuming you can even find enough volunteers. For the past couple of months, all these people that said they would be the ones to stand up and fight Trump and his power grabs end up being the first ones to capitulate in hopes of not being shipped off to some black site in El Salvador.
Who’s Boasburg going to hold in contempt? Trump? He’s already been declared immune. Bondi? Yeah, good luck with that. Now let’s see him round up a couple of hundred volunteers and send them to DC to arrest her. What exactly do you think the end result of that is going to be? A bunch of volunteers with zero experience and who are just hoping to make it home tonight are going to be told by US Marshalls that outnumber them, have better weapons, more training, and body armor are going to tell them to go fuck themselves with a chainsaw. They absolutely will not have the ability to physically enforce Boasburg’s decision.
Unlikely that this will happen but if we are playing a game of escalation perhaps he could deputise people with access to millenary equipment. Remember, the armed forces pledge allegiance to the constitution and nobody else. They also have the duty to not follow an illegal order.
Then use your fucking power
What this judge is weighing is whether or not he can save face should he drop contempt charges and trump wipes his ass with them
Please please… Let the judge order Trump to do something and let Trump ignore. The constitutional crisis it would create would have to be dealt with.
I’m gonna go grab some popcorn and watch this place burn
Please please… Let the judge order Trump to do something and let Trump ignore. The constitutional crisis it would create would have to be dealt with.
That’s already happened a few times and nothing came out of it
No, it hasn’t.
It’s been threatened several times, and there’s been plenty of arguments by Trump’s DOJ that they didn’t actually violate the text of orders (including in this case, where the judge didn’t include in the written order to return flights that have already left U.S. airspace), or that any violations were inadvertent and not intentional, but this is the first case that is dealing with the question of whether the administration intentionally violated a court order.
The judge is taking the steps to learn the facts here, and the shocking thing is that DOJ just put the main attorney on administrative leave (and pulled him off this case) for conceding obvious things in open court. Despite just promoting him to his position the week before.
Trump arguing those is disregarding court orders. Only maga idiots think that a judge’s verbal order does not carry the same weight as a written one
By your line of argument, trump will get away with any and all excuse. Inadvertent breaking the law is still illegal
No, and this is really important.
Intentionally disobeying court orders is a red line, in a way that merely breaking the law isn’t.
If you argue that the Trump administration has already crossed that red line several times, and people start believing it, it carries less force when they actually do cross it. It’s a big deal, and the mere fact that his administration is arguing that they haven’t crossed it (yet) is important for a few reasons:
- The rank and file federal employees don’t yet feel that they have the precedent to follow executive branch orders that would violate court orders.
- The political actors aligned with Trump don’t yet feel emboldened enough to do the same, if Trump hasn’t done it first.
- The resistance can point to that specific act, of crossing the red line, as a position to fight on, for both recruiting fence sitters and their effort to active resistance (and justification for no longer fitting themselves purely within the bounds of the law).
- On the other hand, crying wolf about the red line before it is crossed confuses those fence sitters (hyper technical arguments about whether and how the Trump administration broke the law don’t carry the day) and makes it less politically powerful when that line is crossed.
So long as the Trump admin still pretends to care about the law, there’s still a lane for lawsuits and litigation as active resistance. If the Trump administration starts openly flouting court orders, which has not happened yet, that opens up a new chapter.
Trump is pushing limits, but is still being really careful about what is technically legal. If they stop tip toeing around that line, then the resistance is clear to escalate into technically illegal conduct, too, while still aiming for a return of the rule of law.
Muddying the waters by arguing that the line has already been crossed is misreading where we are in this resistance movement.
And disclosure: I’m a lawyer and I have filed things in court against the government, so I have a vested professional and personal interest in believing that what happens in court still matters. But I also have an above average understanding of exactly what the constitutional and statutory powers of the presidency are, and what kind of actions would actually threaten the continued viability of our constitutional government.
you’ll continue to move the goal post holding to the hope the law will prevail
There’s not a goal post being moved. I’m describing now where the line has always been for a constitutional crisis: a judicial contempt order that gets disregarded by the executive branch. And the path to that is basically:
- The executive branch does something illegal.
- Someone sues in court.
- The court rules that action to be illegal.
- The executive branch doesn’t obey the court order.
- The court orders the executive branch to show cause why contempt should not issue.
- The court finds the executive branch officials to be in contempt and orders sanctions (aka a punishment).
- The executive branch disregards that punishment and refuses to enforce it or obey it.
Steps 1 through 3 are pretty routine, and happen all the time.
And there are off ramps that avoid that constitutional crisis. Maybe it’s a case where the court’s ruling gets overruled on appeal. Maybe the court finds that it doesn’t have jurisdiction to rule on that issue. Maybe the executive branch backs down. One of those has happened so far in all of the cases that have ended.
It’s the cases that are still active where things might go off the rails. This particular Salvadorean deportation case has made it further than any other (past the fifth step I described above)
and is the one where DOJ has suspended its own lawyer for admitting that he didn’t have the answers the judge was looking for.In a closely related case, DOJ has suspended its own lawyer for admitting personal frustration with his client (that is, ICE/DHS). These are concerning and worth pushing back on at every turn, and to sound the alarms when that line is actually crossed.This defeatist attitude, that Trump has already won and is unaccountable, is counterproductive. We’re still busy fighting, and we can still win because we haven’t lost yet.
May have?
