I mean Kamala did not do better. She went to bed with “moderate” republicans, never pushed back on border security issues and claims of mosts immigrants being criminal - even leaned into them. She knew Israel was supporting Trump, still decided to support Israel and go all in on them.
All she did run on was: “I’m not Trump; I like his stance on immigration and border politics but I am a woman of colour and also support the LGBTQ+. Vote for me! Muhh project 2025!!”
Admittedly, she would have been better than Trump, but fuck her for sandbagging Sanders in '16.
In Hillary’s defense (ugh) trump is about the only candidate she had a chance to beat
The real problem was the old dnc insisting it should be her, letting her primary campaign fund the dnc, and letting her primary campaign have final say over everything the DNC did during both the primary and general…
She literally staged a hostile takeover of the party funded by billionaires who it turns out we’re fine with trump and even preferred him.
So if you zoom out, it wasn’t really Hillary’s fault. She was a useful idiot to American’s oligarchs whether she knew it or not. Billionaires bought her so she’d buy the DNC and make sure we didn’t get anyone even close to Obama again
The really really good news is we finally got the DNC out of neoliberals hands.
The fight over the party already happened, and we won.
So it’s important to understand this recent history, but under no circumstances blame the current dnc of 2025 for the bullshit Hillary’s people pulled the last 30 years
Who is ‘we’, and what exactly did they win? Cause from where I sit Biden and Harris are pretty neoliberal themselves.
Who is ‘we’,
Anyone that’s not a Republican or a neoliberal…
Biden and Harris are pretty neoliberal themselves.
What does that have to do with the DNC chair elected about two months ago?
I dunno about the DNC chair, but claiming victory after having gotten rid of one neoliberal candidate to just replace them with another seems premature at a minimum. shrug
Link to news article on the story you’re discussing?
New dnc chair:
Hillary funding the dnc and requiring approval of dnc press releases and actions:
Officials from Hillary’s campaign had taken a look at the DNC’s books. Obama left the party $24 million in debt—$15 million in bank debt and more than $8 million owed to vendors after the 2012 campaign—and had been paying that off very slowly. Obama’s campaign was not scheduled to pay it off until 2016. Hillary for America (the campaign) and the Hillary Victory Fund (its joint fundraising vehicle with the DNC) had taken care of 80 percent of the remaining debt in 2016, about $10 million, and had placed the party on an allowance.
And
The agreement—signed by Amy Dacey, the former CEO of the DNC, and Robby Mook with a copy to Marc Elias—specified that in exchange for raising money and investing in the DNC, Hillary would control the party’s finances, strategy, and all the money raised. Her campaign had the right of refusal of who would be the party communications director, and it would make final decisions on all the other staff. The DNC also was required to consult with the campaign about all other staffing, budgeting, data, analytics, and mailings.
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774/
But I recommend everyone read the whole thing because it even gets into how the “victory fund” bankrupted state parties leading to Republicans controlling the House today:
Yet the states kept less than half of 1 percent of the $82 million they had amassed from the extravagant fund-raisers Hillary’s campaign was holding, just as Gary had described to me when he and I talked in August. When the Politico story described this arrangement as “essentially … money laundering” for the Clinton campaign, Hillary’s people were outraged at being accused of doing something shady. Bernie’s people were angry for their own reasons, saying this was part of a calculated strategy to throw the nomination to Hillary.
What? Other than the Bernie bullshit what are you talking about? Also why do you personally dislike her? Truly just curious.
It’s possible you blocked the other person and didn’t see this was already answered, so here’s a direct link to my other comment:
Thanks for the link. I just didn’t scroll enough. Commented before reading further down, apologies. Ick. It seems to be an issue with the DNC. They were left vulnerable to financial influence because they were in debt from Obama. All that funding was needed to get a reasonable human being in office. She probably knew this as his VP and was able to use money to get assistance being the nomination. I still think she would have been far better than trump, she is actually good with money. But god, is that fucking annoying that the political parties are just companies that can be bought. Uggggggh it always just boils down to money. God I wish Bernie had been president. He would have worked to get the rich out of our government. I gotta take a break from this, it’s just fucking depressing
It seems to be an issue with the DNC
And the DNC chair resigned and was immediately rewarded with a spot on Hillary’s campaign…
That’s the whole problem. The DNC and Hillary’s campaign was the same people.
They were left vulnerable to financial influence because they were in debt from Obama.
Obama neglected the DNC because in 08 they worked against him in the primary and abandoned him in the general… Because he didn’t name a chair as president after the general, Hillary’s people held onto the reigns.
But Obama didn’t put the DNC into debt, that DNC choose to play favorites and when their favorite (Hillary) lost they didn’t support the candidate.
The DNC went bankrupt betting the house on Hillary.
She probably knew this as his VP and was able to use money to get assistance being the nomination.
Do…
Do you think Hillary was Obama’s VP?
But god, is that fucking annoying that the political parties are just companies that can be bought.
As of two months ago the neoliberals have been kicked out of DNC leadership, the new chair used to run Minnesota State Dem party and has a very strong track record.
It’s great you’re asking questions though, and the silver lining is we already won the fight of the party. Shit was fucked at the dnc for decades, now it isn’t.
So whatever you do, don’t start working against the current dnc because of what was done more than 2 months ago.
So
Does it make sense why so many Dem voters hate Hillary now?
Fun fact, if you live in a blue state and didn’t donate to Trump, Hillary is far more responsible for his win then you are even discounting her other campaign issues.
Lot of silent down votes. Sorry to hurt your feelings but facts are facts. Hillary bankrolled Trump.
Yeah. There’s no chance of election reform in this country, we’re always going to have a two party system without equal votes. So there’s no point pushing on the popular vote to help people realise the system is corrupt. Trump winning the popular vote isn’t a problem for us at all.
Hillary bankrolled Trump.
Are you saying the DNC produced ads against trump’s RNC opponents or are you saying Hillary donated money to trump’s campaign?
Because “Hillary bankrolled trump” is not true, by a longshot.
Everyone’s an accelerationist until their neighbors get hungry.
I really don’t understand the hatred of Hillary. Like, the Republicans yeah sure. But everyone else why?
Hillary is great. She’s the reason Donald Trump is president. Her campaign gave money to Trump’s campaign during the 2016 primaries. Because of her, Trump is ruining the economy and helping us create a socialist revolution.
I’m praying this is satire but I can no longer tell in 2025.
The DNC did help finance almost all the crazy right wing canidates that have held power since 2015. Donald Trump included. And yes i mean the DNC literally gave money to fringe republican campaigns, enough to get their names on the ballots.
They thought Hillary would win easily if they could make sure to run her against the most crazy and corrupt hicks possible, but that pissed people off and then America voted for the hicks out of spite.
I’m aware but thinking this was a good idea is the part I can’t tell if it’s real.
It seems fairly obvious to me that this was a poor decision.
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Just to be clear I’m a 100% serious Marxist-Leninist who firmly believes that women are bourgeois
This still doesn’t help I’m afraid.
Also, communism is stupid. In a classless, moneyless, stateless society, people would go out of control and society would collapse. State socialism with authoritarian control is the only stable and fair form of government. Marx said as much in Capital.
I wouldn’t count on socialism being the outcome here. Accelerationism never works the way the accelerationists think.
It worked great for Hillary, so why wouldn’t it work great for us??
Is there an article on that? Haven’t seen that before.
She called it the pied piper strategy and it isnt exclusive to 2016. Once it failed Democrats doubled down and funded right wing extremists nationwide.
An email recently released by the whistleblowing organization WikiLeaks shows how the Clinton campaign and Democratic Party bear direct responsibility for propelling the bigoted billionaire to the White House.
Cool, does WikiLeaks have any other emails from the 2016 DNC?
Probably? Is there a point or just whataboutism
The point is WikiLeaks produced the DNC email leaks after being given them by russia, which spawned the “grassroots” Qanon pizzagate theory that swung a lot of formerly sane people into extremism and if you’re using that leak as the source for the DNC screwing over Bernie, it’s important to have the full context.
Sure, and ill add that Sanders made similar allegations and the emails were verified. [Shultz stepped down over them].(https://www.foxnews.com/politics/wasserman-schultz-to-step-down-as-dnc-chairwoman-amid-email-fallout) it is not a conspiracy, it is a fact.
Second link:
NPR (2022)-Democrats are buying ads supporting far-right GOP primary candidates, in the hopes of facing them in the general election — a strategy that former Sen. Claire McCaskill of Missouri tried in 2012.
Nothing to do with Clinton, fwiw
NPR went 4 extra years back, but Clintons campaign did it for trump in 2016. It is the same pied Piper strategy
Ick. It seems to be an issue with the DNC/her campaign though. I didn’t see any evidence of this coming from her. Which isn’t much better, either she didn’t know or just chose to do nothing. All because the DNC was left vulnerable to financial influence because they were in debt from Obama. They needed all that funding to get a reasonable human being in office. Uggggggh it always just boils down to money. God I wish Bernie had been president. He would have worked to get the rich out of our government. I gotta take a break from this, it’s just fucking depressing
We also could have had Bernie but Debbie Wasserman Shultz rigged the primary and got away with it.
Democrats are not a viable alternative to fascism, they have been working to legitimize it for well over a decade.
The order then explained why the lawsuit would be dismissed. “The Court must now decide whether Plaintiffs have suffered a concrete injury particularized to them, or one certainly impending, that is traceable to the DNC and its former chair’s conduct—the keys to entering federal court. The Court holds that they have not.”
So your link says the lawsuit was dismissed because they couldn’t show Bernie lost because of DWS’s fuckery. Which is the case. Bernie lost because Bernie lost in addition to DWS’s fuckery. He lost in other years without the fuckery too. And to put too fine a point on it, he’s an Independent, not a Democrat.
Democrats are not a viable alternative to fascism, they have been working to legitimize it for well over a decade.
What a load of shit.
Sorry but what do you call donating money to fascists, buying their ads, supporting their PACs, and voting for their platform if not legitimizing fascism?
Yeah, it’s a good thing Trump won and is going to cancel elections. Now that people don’t have any hope through traditional channels, we can have a communist revolution.
I am not so optimistic that socialism will win in an American civil war. Its all bad for this country
Your GRU channels are overextended, what with having to attack Canada and France too.
This sadly isn’t going to happen.
The american people will stand around and hold signs like the neolibs tell them until their bank accounts run out and then they’ll slither back to their wage slave jobs because all the food in town is sent in on 3 trucks that are controlled by Kroger executives
the propaganda against her was immense, her emails, bhengazi, and then the comey guy thought trump would take on russian interference, but he was ousted almost immediately.
It’s because Americans (read Republicans and tankies) are sexist shitbags.
Decades of character assassination by the press/propaganda machines as well as a really mixed personal history if doing the right and wrong thing almost equally.
They use “Trump Derangement Syndrome” with no awareness of where the term came from or why.
