My empathy would agree with you, but — while I’m well aware that racism and fascism are a product of ignorance, stupidity, poor education, and propaganda, all class warfare waged by Americas plutocrats — I also logically can’t see any way out of this, any way to deprogram the nazis, without the average American feeling pain; the same kind of pain America has inflicted on dozens of countries, and hundreds of millions of people, over the last century… So much instability, suffering, and political violence that they ultimately reject neoliberalism and conservatism, and revolt against the plutocrats that created this mess.
You can’t realistically “deprogram” tens of millions of MAGA. WW2 resulted in an ideological “cleansing” — a de-nazification — of the European population. So yeah… America will continue to devolve and regress until some sort of reset occurs, for better or for worse.
Yeah, there is no easy way out of this. And so long as it continues millions upon millions of people both inside and outside of the US will suffer. But that doesn’t mean we deserve this just for being born here.
Minorities in America shouldn’t have to fear being put in a concentration camp. Workers in America shouldn’t have to have their rights stripped from them,. Kids shouldn’t be put in a situation where they have to work in a meat processing plant, they shouldn’t have their chance at an education taken away from them. Trans americans shouldn’t have to face being pushed entirely out of public life.
All of this is fucking wrong, saying that we deserve it implies that we shouldn’t fight it. And we absolutely fucking should fight it; if we don’t it won’t just be us Americans who suffer.
We “deserve” it in the same way that we “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. I’m not saying the people that will be hurt from this literally deserve it. I’m being hyperbolic to make a point about Blowback and the consequences of American Imperialism.
American Empire deserves to crumble and fall is essentially what I mean.
I think you’re right - to an extent. You may not deserve this. Americans might not deserve this. Any other arbitrarily defined group of people may not deserve it.
But humanity as a whole? We are a disgusting scourge on this earth, and we probably deserve everything that’s coming to us. The current situation is just a reflection of overaching dynamics of greed, lies and self-righteousness that have always been with us.
I realize this is basically an absurd notion of collective reaponsibility. At the same time, we have no one to blame for our species’ toxic psychopathic behavior but the species as a whole. If we had any decency left we would just delete ourselves as quietly and staightforwardly as possible.
Americans getting a first row experience of living in a Balkan kleptocracy during the 90s.
Genocidal civil war when?
We deserve it.
No the fuck we don’t. No one deserves this shit.
My empathy would agree with you, but — while I’m well aware that racism and fascism are a product of ignorance, stupidity, poor education, and propaganda, all class warfare waged by Americas plutocrats — I also logically can’t see any way out of this, any way to deprogram the nazis, without the average American feeling pain; the same kind of pain America has inflicted on dozens of countries, and hundreds of millions of people, over the last century… So much instability, suffering, and political violence that they ultimately reject neoliberalism and conservatism, and revolt against the plutocrats that created this mess.
You can’t realistically “deprogram” tens of millions of MAGA. WW2 resulted in an ideological “cleansing” — a de-nazification — of the European population. So yeah… America will continue to devolve and regress until some sort of reset occurs, for better or for worse.
Yeah, there is no easy way out of this. And so long as it continues millions upon millions of people both inside and outside of the US will suffer. But that doesn’t mean we deserve this just for being born here.
Minorities in America shouldn’t have to fear being put in a concentration camp. Workers in America shouldn’t have to have their rights stripped from them,. Kids shouldn’t be put in a situation where they have to work in a meat processing plant, they shouldn’t have their chance at an education taken away from them. Trans americans shouldn’t have to face being pushed entirely out of public life.
All of this is fucking wrong, saying that we deserve it implies that we shouldn’t fight it. And we absolutely fucking should fight it; if we don’t it won’t just be us Americans who suffer.
We “deserve” it in the same way that we “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. I’m not saying the people that will be hurt from this literally deserve it. I’m being hyperbolic to make a point about Blowback and the consequences of American Imperialism.
American Empire deserves to crumble and fall is essentially what I mean.
I think you’re right - to an extent. You may not deserve this. Americans might not deserve this. Any other arbitrarily defined group of people may not deserve it.
But humanity as a whole? We are a disgusting scourge on this earth, and we probably deserve everything that’s coming to us. The current situation is just a reflection of overaching dynamics of greed, lies and self-righteousness that have always been with us.
I realize this is basically an absurd notion of collective reaponsibility. At the same time, we have no one to blame for our species’ toxic psychopathic behavior but the species as a whole. If we had any decency left we would just delete ourselves as quietly and staightforwardly as possible.
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That’s the hope. But what if there is an event horizon beyond which that hope is lost forever. Are we even in control of ourselves?
Are we not good enough?