I’m not pro “oligarchy” i’m pro liberal governance, oligarchy is by definition, not liberal. It gives excised power to people with money, that is by definition not liberal.
I’m pro capitalism because i think capitalism as a decentralized method of controlling the markets and businesses (i also think that regulation is important, because i don’t have brain damage like libertarians seem to, but for some reason anytime someone on the left hears that someone is a capitalist, they assume they must be anti-regulation also), is the best way to go about it. State controlled markets simply cannot work, unless someone proposes a white paper disproving me, i will maintain that point. But if you can deterministically create an economy, that supports the needs of everyone in that economy, feel free to disprove me. The problem is that you can’t because it’s such an incredibly complex problem.
pro market economy isn’t really a bad thing? I like people being able to buy and sell things, it’s good. It’s problematic sometimes, and rough other times, but that’s just how it is. The market will generally bring itself to a normalized position over time.
i am literally against elon musk being in the government, people in the government having and owning investments, i think it’s corruption plain and simple, i’m against corruption because it obviously leads to a negative outcome for the people the system is supposed to work for, again, liberalism does not like that.
Maybe it isn’t a failure of the goal, but that willing yourself into power isn’t going to magically make it happen.
it certainly won’t be the left doesn’t even have a plan of what to do when they get into power, the liberals don’t really either, but we at least know what we want governance to look like, and that’s a great start.
The left hates the current form of US government, and the things they want that they can clearly spell out, are not forms of governance, merely policy, so i’m not sure how they plan to get from step 2, to step 5 without falling in a hole somewhere.
Capitalism is pay for play. Literally, if you have enough money to invest in capital, you don’t have to work and should continue getting wealthier by already having money. Capitalism and markets are not synonymous.
Liberalism and capitalism is pro-oligarchy. By having money and capital, you get to decide how labor is allocated, what society produces, and the ability to discipline the populace through capital strikes, if not much more direct methods like lobbying.
Liberalism is not anti-oligarch, they would just prefer the paperwork is filled out properly, so it is technically lobbying and not bribery. Elon Musk was an oligarch LONG BEFORE DOGE, and liberals loved him before he was vocally pro-Trump. Liberals loved him because he became the wealthiest man on earth by his “innovation”, and only hated him, not because of his weird unhinged bullshit which existed long before, but only after that unhinged weirdness was pro-Trump.
wow look another facetious argument.
I’m not pro “oligarchy” i’m pro liberal governance, oligarchy is by definition, not liberal. It gives excised power to people with money, that is by definition not liberal.
I’m pro capitalism because i think capitalism as a decentralized method of controlling the markets and businesses (i also think that regulation is important, because i don’t have brain damage like libertarians seem to, but for some reason anytime someone on the left hears that someone is a capitalist, they assume they must be anti-regulation also), is the best way to go about it. State controlled markets simply cannot work, unless someone proposes a white paper disproving me, i will maintain that point. But if you can deterministically create an economy, that supports the needs of everyone in that economy, feel free to disprove me. The problem is that you can’t because it’s such an incredibly complex problem.
pro market economy isn’t really a bad thing? I like people being able to buy and sell things, it’s good. It’s problematic sometimes, and rough other times, but that’s just how it is. The market will generally bring itself to a normalized position over time.
i am literally against elon musk being in the government, people in the government having and owning investments, i think it’s corruption plain and simple, i’m against corruption because it obviously leads to a negative outcome for the people the system is supposed to work for, again, liberalism does not like that.
it certainly won’t be the left doesn’t even have a plan of what to do when they get into power, the liberals don’t really either, but we at least know what we want governance to look like, and that’s a great start.
The left hates the current form of US government, and the things they want that they can clearly spell out, are not forms of governance, merely policy, so i’m not sure how they plan to get from step 2, to step 5 without falling in a hole somewhere.
Capitalism is pay for play. Literally, if you have enough money to invest in capital, you don’t have to work and should continue getting wealthier by already having money. Capitalism and markets are not synonymous.
Liberalism and capitalism is pro-oligarchy. By having money and capital, you get to decide how labor is allocated, what society produces, and the ability to discipline the populace through capital strikes, if not much more direct methods like lobbying.
Liberalism is not anti-oligarch, they would just prefer the paperwork is filled out properly, so it is technically lobbying and not bribery. Elon Musk was an oligarch LONG BEFORE DOGE, and liberals loved him before he was vocally pro-Trump. Liberals loved him because he became the wealthiest man on earth by his “innovation”, and only hated him, not because of his weird unhinged bullshit which existed long before, but only after that unhinged weirdness was pro-Trump.