Today, Miller said that his deportation was no mistake. So, they’re openly lying to the courts. They’re calling this dude a criminal, but he’s never even been charged with anything.
Let me be completely unambiguous: We just witnessed the death of due process. The fact that we are in a dictatorship is beyond doubt. You will have to face the fascists, the only choice left to all of us now is whether we face them together, or as individuals.
Are we sure we aren’t being a little melodramatic here? I’m only asking how a singular incident of rampant denialism can be equated to the total death of a concept like due process? (I’m half asking out of fear to be sure)
No. Look at history; what the government can do to others, it can do to you, too. The executive branch decided, without any due process whatever, that someone who was legally staying in the US should have their rights stripped and sent to prison without a trial. That means that not only did the state not have to prove their case in court to deprive this person of their rights (again, he was not charged with ANY crime. He’s in prison for no crime besides existing), but this person also has no sentence; they have no date of release set, they have no clarity in their punishment or release. Today, Stephen Miller has insisted that Kilmar’s deportation was NOT an accident. This guy isn’t the only one that ICE just haphazardly scooped up, we’ve got many, many instances of our gestapo with no drip scooping up people who were following the rules and disappearing them weeks and fighting to avoid due process. Trump is already talking, with his own words, about sending American citizens who vandalize Teslas or protest him or musk, or happen to be in prison here to El Salvador. That means that he’s going to send them into the memory hole; no trial, no appeal, no release date, you just get tossed into a hole in El Salvador and Trump cuts the president of El Salvador a check.
If they can deport someone without validating their residency status (due process) , what’s to stop them from deporting citizens “on accident”.
Additionally, they’re ignoring the courts (for now). If the courts don’t escalate and/or Trump/Republicans don’t back down, then this is a really worrying precedent to allow and would effectively allow Republicans to “dissappear” anyone they wanted.
Feels like the end of due process and move to effective dictatorship, but others might draw the line somewhere else. What happened at Gitmo was very dictatorship, but wasn’t done to US citizens or people “technically” in the US.
I think Lemmy can get alarmist at times, sure. But when people are getting punished without due process, that’s a big deal. When the Justice department admits they made a mistake but have no interest in correcting it, that’s a big deal. When judges (and the Supreme Court) tell them to figure it out (edit: and they don’t), that’s a big deal. When the reason they give (the people are deported to another country and in their custody) is essentially a workaround that the Justice department came up with, and they don’t have any meaningful consequence to stop them from doing it again, that’s a big deal.
Today, Miller said that his deportation was no mistake. So, they’re openly lying to the courts. They’re calling this dude a criminal, but he’s never even been charged with anything.
Let me be completely unambiguous: We just witnessed the death of due process. The fact that we are in a dictatorship is beyond doubt. You will have to face the fascists, the only choice left to all of us now is whether we face them together, or as individuals.
Are we sure we aren’t being a little melodramatic here? I’m only asking how a singular incident of rampant denialism can be equated to the total death of a concept like due process? (I’m half asking out of fear to be sure)
No. They’re quite explicit about the plan being to strip US citizens of their citizenship and send them to El Salvador
No. Look at history; what the government can do to others, it can do to you, too. The executive branch decided, without any due process whatever, that someone who was legally staying in the US should have their rights stripped and sent to prison without a trial. That means that not only did the state not have to prove their case in court to deprive this person of their rights (again, he was not charged with ANY crime. He’s in prison for no crime besides existing), but this person also has no sentence; they have no date of release set, they have no clarity in their punishment or release. Today, Stephen Miller has insisted that Kilmar’s deportation was NOT an accident. This guy isn’t the only one that ICE just haphazardly scooped up, we’ve got many, many instances of our gestapo with no drip scooping up people who were following the rules and disappearing them weeks and fighting to avoid due process. Trump is already talking, with his own words, about sending American citizens who vandalize Teslas or protest him or musk, or happen to be in prison here to El Salvador. That means that he’s going to send them into the memory hole; no trial, no appeal, no release date, you just get tossed into a hole in El Salvador and Trump cuts the president of El Salvador a check.
If they can deport someone without validating their residency status (due process) , what’s to stop them from deporting citizens “on accident”.
Additionally, they’re ignoring the courts (for now). If the courts don’t escalate and/or Trump/Republicans don’t back down, then this is a really worrying precedent to allow and would effectively allow Republicans to “dissappear” anyone they wanted.
Feels like the end of due process and move to effective dictatorship, but others might draw the line somewhere else. What happened at Gitmo was very dictatorship, but wasn’t done to US citizens or people “technically” in the US.
I think Lemmy can get alarmist at times, sure. But when people are getting punished without due process, that’s a big deal. When the Justice department admits they made a mistake but have no interest in correcting it, that’s a big deal. When judges (and the Supreme Court) tell them to figure it out (edit: and they don’t), that’s a big deal. When the reason they give (the people are deported to another country and in their custody) is essentially a workaround that the Justice department came up with, and they don’t have any meaningful consequence to stop them from doing it again, that’s a big deal.
Because once you yield power to an authoritarian they aren’t giving it up