I wish, but that’s the opposite of the goal of the democratic party. They don’t see themselves as the opposition to the Republican party. Only priorities are maintaining the status quo and getting funding. That does tend to be better for us than the alternative, but any downstream benefits are mostly a happy accident.
If we manage to have another presidential election, I will be behind any progressive or Democrat that promises to use the presidency in the exact way as Trump.
Forcing an rewritten version of the Constitution that eliminates flaws and loopholes, enacting term and age limits on all elected offices and the judiciary, deleting the electoral college, and so forth?
I am in.
The US needs a proportional voting system first and foremost
We’re due for some public executions
Democrats are centrist liberals. They are capitalists. They are cop-loving authoritarians. They will never fulfill your leftist liberatory desires. Stop deferring your political will to wishes they will never manifest. You have Stockholm Syndrome. Go do something yourself that matters to you in your own community.
Well said, I’m still going to post my opinions but there’s really nothing you’ve said that I can refute.
I should probably add: I don’t mean to be a dick. I say all this stuff because I care, I hate seeing comrades efforts and dreams and desires frustrated by this deadend political party year after year, election after election. I imagine if all the passion we drained into the DNC instead went into creative modes of organization and direct action in our own towns and cities?
All I can see doing right now is try to raise consciousness about what the midterms will mean. I don’t think they are going to do a behind closed doors steal. This administration couldn’t plan anything requiring that level of coordination. No, I think they will do it all right infront of our eyes. Closing polling places. Rampant voter intimidation. State governments interfering. All leading up to forcing scotuses hand.
People aren’t going to know how to react and ultimately they will walk away feeling defeated. Really we need to accept now that the midterms are going to be sabotaged and take to the street before hand. That’s not going to happen because as much as I plead no one will listen until it’s too late.
Even now we see trumps agenda stalling out. What i believe is happening is they are promising him everything for after midterms. That’s why you don’t see him going scorched earth. If you don’t think his cabinet is planning their reichstag fire as we speak then you haven’t been paying attention for the last 9 years.
Pandora’s box is opened, and once that happens, it’s almost impossible to close it. I’m going to be honest, the next election cycle, I’ll consider voting for the blue equivalent of Trump. Now that we know presidents can act like kings, it’s time progressives capitalized on that. Why not lock up rightwingers and hatemongers, slap tariffs on oil, and deport Zionists?
Presidents can act like kings if they have the Legislative and Judicial branches in their pocket. No progressive ever will.
Is Cuomo running? I hadn’t heard
We need someone as like Avasarala but with the will as strong as Amos Burton
Have you met democrats?
Smells like fucking Tankie in here.
This is how it looks like:
Biden: “I need y’all to execute the traitor Donald J. Trump”
Military: “I’m sorry Mr. President, I’m afraid we cannot do that.”
Trump: “I need y’all to round up these democrat [n-word] thugs”
Military: “Can we just shoot them?”
Let’s see, so if democrats can’t get their way, they should just burn everything down so that they, and everyone, will be on the same equally shitty footing? That tracks.
No, they should force the GOP to act by doing the one thing that will make them: trying to enact their own policies.
They could have at least fulfilled original student loan promises at a minimum.
Presidential immunity gives a democratic incumbent the right to slap a republican senator daily
Dems would have to oppose fascism first. Good luck with that.
They would need to grow spines first.
That’s literally the opposite of what the Dem leadership ever does. Expecting them to put the outcomes for regular people over system rules and norms (and their owner donors) is like expecting a sheep to become an obligate carnivore.
Neoliberals don’t change the system, they ARE the system. You’re not going to get systemic change from someone whose raison d’être is protecting the norms and rules at all costs.
Nope.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Pubs don’t give a shit
That first part is kinda what I’m saying: Dems adhere to the rules and procedures even when it prevents them from taking completely reasonable actions that the people who they’re supposed to represent want.
Republicans break all rules and norms to do awful things and Dems refuse to break any rules or norms to stop them.
It’s like a fistfight where one fighter is wielding a sawed off shotgun and the other refuses to even fight dirty.
Well this is the bitch: you can’t play that game. Because the whole point of that game to smash the rules of order. To destroy the social contract. To create chaos and revoke rights. Any move you make is a win for them and a loss for everyone else.
Don’t play chess with pigeons
And that attitude is how we got here:
That’s a false dichotomy.
You’re assuming that the only alternative to slavishly adhering to the rules as determined by people who could not possibly predict today’s circumstances is to ignore the very concept of rules and procedure.
I’m not advocating for Dems to do either. I’m advocating for them to change the rules for the better when they can and to bend or even outright break them when it’s necessary and justified.
Following rules for their own sake even when it’s clearly contrary to the needs and wants of the people is just a more socially acceptable form of authoritarianism.
Not assuming a falsity at all - the rules in question are due process
So THAT’S where you want the goal posts now?
Sure, due process is an inalienable human right that should never be infringed upon.
That obviously wasn’t what I was talking about, though.
Sorry, should have been clearer: due LEGISLATIVE process
So how it usually plays out is that destroying is usually much easier than building.
So if the oligarchs destroy the rules, you will not win by trying to rebuild them. You will only get back to some sense of normal by shooting back and making them understand why the rules were there. And I don’t mean threats.
The moment the office of the president was given complete immunity from everything, Biden should have had Musk shot. More realistically, Dems should have fought judicial appointments the same way as Reps did, and actually appointed activist judges instead of trying and failing to appoing Merrick fucking Garland.
The eleventh hour of the “system” was prosecuting Trump. That system does not exist anymore, there is nothing to defend at this point.
Dems try to adhere to The Rules And Procedures
Tell that to Nancy’s stock portfolio… Or is that “legal”?
Either way they’re 2 rich 2 resist.
They’ve got dozens of excuses for failure, that’s just one of them.
old guard dems are just GOP in disguise, because they often work together behind the scenes making deals, they both of the same megadonors, additionally they hope to get by being “not-republican” candidates.
if Democrats ever win I fully exepct this:
“Now is a time of healing. To better unify our Great Nation™®© we are going to let Republicans fill every committee and pick every judge, we are even looking into how we might let them have the presidency. If we can’t, do not worry, we will behave as if we were Republicans and will do as they wish.”
That’s bullshit, whenever the DNC is trifecta majority it’s straight progressive agenda. We need not only democrats but we need senate supermajority again.
I’m not sure we live in the same reality.
Yep, that’s what Obama did with the Bush people and the people that caused the GFC. And now all these people are back for round 2 with nothing learned (well, they learned there are no consequences no matter what they do).
I think Bernie’s Fight the Oligarchy Tour is changing this, but more people needs to push this.
So is David Hogg, the new Vice Chair of the DNC. He’s a Gen-Z school shooting survivor who’s committed to primary out the centrists and turn them into a real opposition party.
committed to primary out the centrists and turn them into a real opposition party.
I can only say good luck to him. I think the party still wants to be R-lite again.
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I’m talking about Congress. Next November is our next chance at stopping Trump.
I’m talking about Congress. Next November is our next chance at stopping Trump.
Can a party still promoting “let me talk about my Glock so some Republicans might vote for me” Harris have any chance of purging the centrists?
I know I’m being super pessimistic and I hope you are right and would love to be wrong. The trajectory of Kamala’s 2024 campaign pretty much destroyed any notion I had that Dems as a party will ever take any other course but just left of R enough to show daylight between the two. Every time R moves right D just follows.
They’re doing more than making noise on the floor. Democrats voted and spoke out against Trump’s cabinet nominations, forced a 15-day vote against Trump’s executive order, confirmed Biden’s pending judicial appointments when Republican attendance is low, and are the ones bringing these cases to the courts.
With that being said, there are still many appeasement centrists that wouldn’t speak out if you lit them on fire. They’re the ones that need to get replaced with youthful progressives who will drive change, but ultimately that will be up to us at the polls.
Well I appreciate the reminder that things are actually happening in many cases, I’ll try slightly harder to keep my pessimism in check! 🙂
Once Newsom is in CECOT he will have plenty of time to think about what he could have done.
Yea, the “democrats” will want to “reach across the table” and work with these fucking traitors. Why? Because most of them are likely in on it.
They take the same money from the same corporations. They don’t care if they win or lose an election.
I can’t believe I had to scroll down this much to find this. This is the true answer.
Fucking hate how true this is.
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Ruin what now?
As opposed to what’s currently happening?
lmao what
you still believe in these fucks?
System’s broken. We don’t need a different party in charge of the system we need a new system.
This is why Sanders has told new politicians to run as independents, neither of the current parties can be trusted
Agreed. The US is over. These people are bouncing the entire stock market up and down using tariffs and doing insider trading on it … there is no justice whatsoever.
I mean, considering my post from the last 4 months you guys are making me so proud to be on lemmy right now.
Approval voting and more parties could theoretically improve things quite a bit. But switching to approval voting is probably not simple because why should the biggest parties support something that hurts them.
There are good democrats out there - many of us have met them in person. Just that the leadership, and threats from AIPAC money, twist them into not doing everything they can.
I wouldn’t be so pessimistic as to say EVERY person in the US looking into politics is corrupt. Just make sure to actually name people when lambasting them, not paint a wide swath.
People who are swayed by AIPAC money and democratic leadership are not actually “good people”.
I’d recommend you take a look at a Zeteo interview of two Congress members who stood against them. It can be more complex than straight bribery.
For one thing, taking money from AIPAC isn’t just about greed; it’s also about using that money to campaign and help people be aware of what issues they’re fighting for. (Yes, I’m aware for some, it’s all about power and greed)
For another, AIPAC money can become an enemy: These Congress members got an army of mailings demonizing them as soon as they voted against an issue Israel wanted in their corner. They were voted out of office, and never got to pass the causes they wanted for their communities.
Should they take AIPAC money? Absolutely not. Do I see why they’d take it? Absolutely.
There are good democrats out there
That may be true but isn’t relevant really. A few decent people in a party will not fundamentally change our system.
ADAB? Basically the same idea.
Edit: I feel like I might be misunderstanding something since I’m getting downvoted. Isn’t that same mindset similar to the sentiment behind ACAB? If not please explain how they are different.
Cops are inherently bastards because they are part of a bastardized system and even if you are a “good cop” you are still perpetuating the system. That would be similar to being part of the democratic party as a progressive where you may be a “good dem” but they are still perpetuating the system by being beholden to the two party system.
There isn’t going to be another government or another free election until the current regime is put to the sword.
There’s no need to cancel elections when fascists will easily win again.
If it isn’t entirely obvious that’s the next play, I agree.
Agree. But who will do that?
Can’t say.
