• sunzu2@thebrainbin.org
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    6 months ago

    vote third party IMHO

    fuck the two party regime that got us cornered here. vote for either party is providing genocide legitimacy.

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      6 months ago

      And voting third party is saying “I don’t care whether we get a bit of genocide or a lot of genocide,” which itself is legitimizing genocide.

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          6 months ago

          Genocide is binary.

          Anything that furthers genocide is not capable of being harm reduction.

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            I agree, we should just not vote to stick it to the DNC. When red voters show up to the polls and blue voters don’t and Trump wins, I’m sure all the transgender people in America whose lives are now in danger will sleep much better at night knowing that the blood of all those Palestinians who are still dying because Trump is funneling bombs to Israel faster than Biden was isn’t on your hands, because you didn’t help put him in office.

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            6 months ago

            Gotcha, better to not vote for a “genocider” so you can wash your hands of the unbridled rape and murder of Palestine when trump ends up president in 2025.

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            6 months ago

            No people know what it means to pick the less disgusting turd out of the bowl. They’re just tired of eating shit for “strategic reasons”.

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        Genocide is binary.

        Trying to make it analog is just trying to justify the unjustifiable.

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          I’m not trying to justify anything. I’m saying that more people dying is worse, so I’m choosing the path that has the least death.

          Pretending more people dying is somehow not worse, however, is attempting to justify the unjustifiable.

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            Pretending that the current path doesn’t have us give bombs to Israel that they then intentionally drop on hospitals full of children is the path you’re choosing.

            I literally just watched a little girl hooked up to an IV burn to death from a bomb you paid for.

            That is the path you support.

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              I don’t support that path - I just recognise that the only alternative also includes all of that and the subjugation of American women, further endangerment of LGBT folks, etc.

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                You do support that path.

                You are actively doing so right now.

                The point about genocide being binary is that someone is either willing to commit it, or they aren’t.

                Biden and Harris(and Trump, presumably) are willing to commit genocide. The basis of that willingess is an underlying belief that some people matter more than other people. And some people don’t matter at all.

                And you hope that by supporting the people that hold that belief that they won’t add your group to the list of people that don’t matter to them.

                There were lots of Germans that felt the same way. We have literal books of history and poems telling us that they were wrong. Fuck, I know you’ve heard at least one poem making this point.

                ‘’'First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out— Because I was not a socialist.

                Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—
                     Because I was not a trade unionist.
                
                Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
                     Because I was not a Jew.
                
                Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
                

                ‘’’

                That’s you. Doing everything you can to ignore the Democrats already signaling that they would be willing to throw trans people under the bus.

                You think my side are being morally condescending and use phrases like ‘high horse’ But that is just people who support the Democratic party trying to justify their own willingness to work with genociders. I’m not trying to pass moral judgement on you and your side.

                I’m trying to explain to you that the moral quandary is not new. It is old, and has happened many times before, and your strategy HAS NEVER WORKED BEFORE.

                Imagine you have two children, and someone kidnaps you and them and tells you to choose which one lives, and if you don’t choose, they will kill both.

                If you don’t pick, who is responsible for killing the children? You for not choosing or the person that pulled the trigger?

                EDIT: not sure why the poem is not formatting correctly.

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      6 months ago

      Sounds good on paper or if not on battleground state. I remember people pissed at DNC in 2016 got us Trump the first time.

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        Technically running the least popular candidate in history while simultaneously pied pipering the most dangerous candidate in history was not perpetrated by “people pissed at DNC”.

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          Blame the voters for consistently snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a core tenet of Dem strategy, and of liberalism for that matter.