So how much more fascism will Americans tolerate before they actually do something.

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    Arresting judges is a good thing as judges aren’t above the law. In a healthy, democracy an AG wouldn’t be threatening judges with arrest, any investigation would be carried out in a proper manner, and there would be public hearings about everything. Politicans would wisely say “No comment” on any investigation.

    In this case, the whole thing was engireed to send a message to the judicary “Play ball with us, or you’re going to get arrested”.

    ICE had the ability to calmly walk into the court room, ID whoever they needed, wait until everything was done, and arrested the person out in the hall. Instead ICE went in and made a scene about it, to either force Judge Hannah Dugan to capitulate to ICE or to set up a situation where ICE could trump up obstruction charges.

    Now, you have a facist AG openly saying:

    “What has happened to our judiciary is beyond me. The [judges] are deranged is all I can think of. I think some of these judges think that they are beyond and above the law. They are not, and we are sending a very strong message today. If you are harboring a fugitive, we will come after you and we will prosecute you. We will find you.”

    “If you are obstructing justice,” she added, “it will not be tolerated.”

    Almost guaranteed that the defintion of obstruction is going to be streched to cover judges denying deportations to the El Salvadoran concentration camps.

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        My understanding is that the judge was arrested for allowing the defendant to leave the courtroom through a back door after ICE entered the courtroom and attempted to detain the person.

        A person who was literally in court on their assigned court date in order to attempt to follow the correct immigration procedures.

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          Yes, but we need to be very careful here. Histronics are all fine and well. However, knowing all the facts as reported by the AP or Reuters is important.

          The rank and file of the far right is going to be fed info about how he was arrested for domestic violence and had already been deported before.

          ICE wasn’t in the courtroom and didn’t cause a scene. The judge was tipped off by a clerk that they were in the building.

          We’re all very aware of the propaganda the right is fed. We need to know the facts so it doesn’t happen to us.

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            I’m not sure there is enough of a distinction between in the court building, and in the actual courtroom, to make any difference here… but sure. Point taken.

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    throwing judges in jail seems like the very definition of “contempt of court” to me …

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      Judges aren’t supposed to be infallable, 20 minutes of watching Court Cam should have taught anyone that.

      with that same principle in mind, I dont know how the same system can make a cabal of “supreme justices” and indemnify them absoluteley. (SCOTUS)

      Now while you dont see Clarence Thomas jumping over the Judge Bench and throwing hands with attorneys like what you’ve seen on A&E shows every couple of months. He did take a staggering amount of Bribes. Still Untouchable.

      Im not in any way agreeing with that Christofascist Bondi, but Im saying Judges are not untouchable, and shouldnt be.

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        Of course judges that break the law should be held to account. But the Trump Admin is arresting judges who simply don’t agree with them, and take (legal) actions they don’t like. That is the critical difference. Trump wants the law to be whatever he says it is.

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    Every judge is calling her bluff rn

    It’s so apparent this admin doesn’t talk to one another. They’re all off just huffing ketamine and running their mouths.

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      Running their mouths and arresting judges.

      They should call her bluff, but they should also expect a fight.

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        That state judge was bailed out on her own recognizance within a few hours of being arrested, which had to require the federal court system her case landed in to move extra quickly, so I think they’re calling the bluff and dodging punches alright

        Of course, it’s a fucking disgrace that nobody with the legal authority to do so is throwing any punches back or doing enough to help the people who don’t have the social status judges do dodge the punches this administration is throwing at them, but I think at least judges are going to try to protect each other and the power of the judiciary in general

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          Judges are corrupt to the bone. They won’t protect the ones with opposing political views. This whole place is wildly fucked. We are going to see swift removal of dissent soon.

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            Get out of here. Even most Trump picks have been making good decisions.

            Judges like Cannon are rare.

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              You get out of here. Tell me more about how you don’t know anything about the documented and publicly available accusations against judges, especially on the Supreme Court.

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                When you don’t source your vague gestures at truths obvious to you, it hurts your argument to insult others lack of research. More effort on posts is always encouraged.

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            Oh, look, a popular Russian propaganda talking point.

            Tagged as “compromised”.

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              I’m sure the word choice will contain fewer letters for the maga audience to understand, but yes, compromised sums it up

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    So how much more fascism will Americans tolerate before they actually do something.

    What do you want us to do?

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      Most of us have been fighting since day 1 when he took office. Even if you do not think we are.

      I myself work in Higher Education, and we’re at war.

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      This is ultimately going to take everyone, at every level of risk and action. Every individual person has a level of risk they’re willing to take on right now. As the landscape of this conflict evolves, you may find yourself willing to take on more risk than you’re prepared to today.

      So - do things which either match the risk level you align with today:

      • Don’t talk to cops
      • Join or create mutual aid groups
      • Go protest, because your presence is supportive of other people present, passing by, and especially people who are rightfully too scared to look anyone in the eye right now
      • With regard to protests, bring water, milk (for pepper spray), mylar emergency blankets, snacks, first aid, garbage bags to clean up after as necessary
      • If you have knowledge of someone else’s resistance activites which might get them in trouble, no you don’t
      • If someone you know wants to travel to protest, support them with supplies, gas/food/lodging money
      • Connect people with other like-minded people, especially if they’re interested in taking on more risk than you are able to; their efforts will be greater together than separate
      • Get into a mindset of “If I have to GTFO right now, what would that look like?” Leave more space between your car and others, especially at stops, and look for exit paths
      • Keep your gas tanks and cans full, for either your emergency use or someone else’s
      • Water, too
      • Have pepper spray

      … or things which will prepare you to take larger risks when you’re ready to (or have to):

      • Make room in your house for people who might need to take shelter
      • Arm yourself, and practice
      • Put together a “go bag”, include camping gear
      • Get some black bloc clothing - oversized lightweight black top and pants, make them easy to put on/take off over clothes and shoes - buy from thrift stores as you are able
      • Build relationships with other like-minded people so that you have more avenues for action when the time comes

      There are all sorts of low-risk things you can do today. For every “front line infantry” in a conflict, there need to be ten or so people acting as support services, many of them way away from direct physical danger to themselves. It’s going to take all of us, pulling together in a variety of ways, all efforts great and small. This isn’t going to end soon, and it’s not going to be pretty. Get prepared for the long haul, with the mindset that you may find yourself doing things tomorrow that you would never imagine today. Make yourself a little more prepared as often as you can.

      What do you want us to do?

      Get ready. Whatever that means for you today, do it. Be creative, and get a little bit out of your comfort zone. Reassess what those mean tomorrow; lather, rinse, repeat.

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      I attended an anti trump rally openly carrying a sign and a firearm, what have you done?

      Have you protested outside of Tik Tok or an Internet forum? Have you called your representatives and demanded they do more than hold up a tiny paddle?

      Fuck, I get keeping your head down, hell that was my going in plan for the next four years but fuck me if were not getting into China levels of totalitarianism much quicker than expected and Americans are barely making a squeak. Honestly it’s very pathetic.

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        For me, it’s tough. I’m in a super blue state. Everyone here, with one notable exception, believes Trump needs to be stopped.

        You can guess who: 😏

        https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon's_congressional_districts

        But protesting HERE doesn’t mean much. Like I say, WE KNOW. We mostly all agree. We also protest all the time, for no reason at all.

        Same for Washington, same for California. I guess we could pack up and go to Idaho to protest, but they strike me as the kinds of people who won’t look kindly on folks from another state telling them how to vote.

        If there were a giant protest in D.C.? That might get attention.

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        For a country that blows its horn about Freedom, there certainly isn’t a lot of that going around.

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          Brain damaged or not, call them anyways. Literally the least, the absolute least, you can do. Otherwise, just keep reading that poem until it’s too damn late

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      A general strike might be a good start. And there’s always that 2nd amendment.

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      FFS.

      Your compatriots have been telling us for years the reason you can’t do anything about children being massacred in schools is so that y’all can retain the ability to fight back against governmental over-reach

      So fight back you bloviated big mouthed all talk no fucking action cunts.

      You’ve always been full of shit, now you’re proving it. Leaders of the free world my fucking arse.

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      This is something.

      Organized under the “Hands Off!” banner, demonstrations voicing opposition to the administration’s policies occurred in over 1,400 locations across all 50 U.S. states,[18] drawing up to an estimated 3-5 million participants nationwide according to the demonstration organizers.[19][20] According to demonstration coordinators, the protests involved a coalition of over 150 progressive, labor union, pro-democracy, civil rights, LGBTQ+, and women’s rights groups.[24]

      In Tennessee, protests were held in Knoxville[163] (reportedly with thousands of attendees),[164] Nashville[165] (around 3,000 attendees),[166] Chattanooga, Maryville,[167] Johnson City , Kingsport (around 500),[168] Greeneville, Morristown,[169] and Cookeville.[170]

      In Florida, thousands of protesters demonstrated in Miami,[173] joined by about 1,000 protesters in Pensacola,[174] and nearly 2,000 in The Villages,[175] a Republican stronghold retirement community in which organizers attempted to limit the number of online RSVPs to 500.[176].

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hands_Off_protests

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      What do you want us to do?

      How about using that 2nd amendment you keep flashing to justify tens of thousands of useless deaths by firearm every year?

      Now is the time to rise up and prove that y’all ain’t just a bunch of wannabe Rambos.

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        Who is this “you keep flashing”? Who is it you think you are talking to? We are not them. I suspect most commenters’ histories here will not depict a “wannabe Rambo”. The people you wanna yell at aren’t here.

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          You as a people. Not you Mr. Nice Guy who doesn’t own a gun.

          America is awash with guns and gun owners who don’t like what’s going on one bit. Where are they with their guns? They keep saying guns are necessary in part to keep the government in check, they go to the range and shoot boxloads of ammos to “train”, some of them are preppers and talk big about defending the constitution and the American way of life. And yet when a fucking fascist is installing a dictatorship before their very eyes… suddenly, not a peep.

          Fucking pretend tough guys. That’s what Americans are - as a nation, not you Mr. Nice Guy.

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            Keep in mind many of these tough guy internet warriors you are talking about are waiting for their chance to shoot the protestors. They won’t be going after the government.

            And those that are against the oligarchy that is transforming our aristocratic governing body and country into a dystopian nightmare… You expect them to just start shooting? Is that really the solution?

            What then? All out civil war? Without international intervention it’s pretty obvious which side would come out victorious. It’s not those that want equal rights and a better country for everyone. It will be those that are willing to sacrifice everyone else for their own personal gain.

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            Mr. Nice Guy uses medical marijuana and isn’t allowed to own a gun. No protection for Mr. Nice Guy. Aww sads. No one needs your condescension.

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              I wasn’t being condescending and I wasn’t asking you why you don’t own a gun.

              I don’t either. I hate firearms. As such, neither you or I are in a position to exercize our 2nd amendment right. It’s not for everybody.

              But there are plenty of people in America who DO own a gun and who DO talk big, but don’t walk the talk when it matters the most. That’s my point.

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      The writing was on the wall. This is the path we chose. Say hello to consequences. it’s quite awful but how can anyone act surprised?

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    This is what I hate. Even as they back down from one thing they are just doing other things and will get back to the first thing again.