Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.
If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of
Correlation =/= Causation
They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.
And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”
It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.
No, the problem is that Democrats were saying “Old Man Bad.”
Then when he stepped aside and Harris was the only other option because there was no time for a primary, Dems largely said “No, Black Woman Worse! Hey, How about we vote for the even older white guy instead? Can I have a puppy?”
And when they didn’t get a puppy, they pulled a temper tantrum and stayed home.
So go right ahead and tell me, you great political genius, why did the dems lose? What was so bad about Kamala Harris that allowing Trump to return to power was a viable option? How does allowing Trump to return to power in any way benefit anybody? Name one flaw Kamala Harris had that was so bad that Trump wasn’t explicitly campaigning on being exponentially worse?
The reason Dems lost is because Trump promised economic growth (“greatness”), and such a thing is possible through mars colonization. People felt that (maybe). They don’t actually care about how poor their living conditions are, they just want an adventure. And they’ll get one.
Also lots and lots of backlash against cancel culture.
They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.
Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.
It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.
So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.
No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.
The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.
The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.
The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
We were hearing everything from “he’s too old” to “he’s got dementia” for months. The debate was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Biden was trending at -5 before the debate.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
“We’re not going back” was her campaign slogan and there were people chanting it right up until election day.
I think they started backing off on the “weird” thing after the Trump/Harris debate. Trump gave the much-remembered “They’re eating the dogs!” line, which itself would have been a campaign-ender for literally any other human being, and everybody started trying to use that against him. Which makes sense. Why stick to something like “weird” when your opponent is giving you such juicy ammo to use against them? I’d have done the same thing, and I think so would anybody else.
The problem is it didn’t work. Voters heard that and said “Yes, I’d like to have more of that.”
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
There is never a situation where a candidate is going to say that an incumbent member of their own party is doing a bad job. That’s just an unrealistic expectation to have. She would have been playing right into Trump’s hands, who would have used that to make the last few months of Biden’s presidency even more difficult and miserable. The most you could have expected is something along the lines of “We disagree on the finer points of some things…”. But you are never going to hear a candidate basically shit on the leader of their own party like that.
And remember that she was Vice President. Go back and watch Trump during the campaign. When Biden dropped out, Trump essentially just swapped out Biden’s name for Harris and continued on with his campaign, acting as if Harris had been President for the past four years. He convinced a whole bunch of those undecideds that the “Harris Administration” was the source of all their problems, even though the VP has little role in day to day administration. To these undecideds, the “Biden Administration” and the “Harris Administration” were one and the same, and her saying that Biden did a bad job would be like saying she did a bad job. Trump would have been beating her over the head with that up and down the campaign trail. She would have sabotaged her own campaign and basically taken a shit on the last 3 months of Biden’s presidency in the process.
Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
Not gonna really bother reading past the first couple sentences, it’s the same shit people post all the time that relies on flawed assumptions of the average person
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I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)
To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.
If only more people voted for the Democrats, Americans would have free health care, better education, and they wouldn’t be owned by corporations. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place. Just like when Democrats where in power the last times, it was utopia. Obama even closed Guantanamo!
If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place.
I mean, literally, yes. Most of the EOs that Trump has signed won’t be felt by the majority but trans kids are about to be bullied and committing suicide in much greater numbers, Latino Americans are going to have their families torn apart or be deported along with their family, careers are about to be ended for thousands, cancer research is getting paused, medications are going to get more expensive, progress on carbon reduction is grinding to a halt and probably reversing, and Federal aid is going to be tied to how much Presidential ass you’re willing to kiss. And this is with barely any legislation being passed! It would have been 10x better keeping the status quo!
Darnit gang! It’s those pesky republicans that somehow regularly and readily beat us at our own game whether they have power or we do.
We haven’t found a way to fight back in 30 years. It makes us seem kind of impotent and not worth voting for, but we promise this time it will be different. Like super promise. Totally promise.
Of course. With all the power, Democrats would have stopped financing genocide. Only with absolute power can the Democrats improve public transit, provide clean water, lower the cost of groceries, tax the rich and generally fight for the people they are supposed to represent. Without absolute power, they have been forced to continue financing genocide and ignore the problems of the common people.
Biden was just fueling the genocide and would have continued to do so for all eternity, while having Blinken pay some lip service.
Pretending like Biden or Harris would have done anything different is laughable. Also they gave Trump the argument to ethnically cleanse Gaza based on the destruction that was done with American weapons consistently given to Israel to do exactly that. The end goal for Biden and Harris was equally to extend the Israeli control as a means to extend the US empire.
Now the Democrats might be inclined to change their position and get rid of the Zionist elites that are poisoning the party since decades. Or they just go around claiming how their genocide was a better final solution than Trumps ethnic cleansing, emphasizing again, that human lifes of people outside the US are worthless to both sides of the empires political coin.
Biden had an entire year to stop sending weapons to Israel. Harris had three months to take a stance publicly that differed from Bidens. Instead she blocked a group advocating for Palestinian rights at the DNC, while Israeli groups were allowed to speak. And the Palestinian group wanted to even tell people to vote for Harris despite everything. She blocked people advocating for electing her, because those people didnt share her support for Israel.
This is a democratic republic, or well it was… The people (the demos in democratic), absolutely deserve much of the blame for how they voted.
A functioning adult brain shouldn’t need to be “motivated” to do what is obviously the better choice for them, their family, the country and the world. And yet here we are, a land of endless useful idiots, thinking they are making a stand while doing exactly what empowers the corporate oligarchy the most.
My principled choice says fuck Netenyahu, fuck Hamas, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Yahweh, fuck Mohammah, and fuck useful, easily manipulated idiots who desperately search for a new excuse every 4 years to let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Congratulations, you’re about to see what real scorched earth genocide and mass relocation looks like.
Sorry the prospect of keeping a literal fascist out of the most powerful office in the world didn’t get you off, I guess? Sorry you don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and fascism? Sorry you prefer fascism? I don’t really understand what y’all’s hangup was.
I’m married to a Palestinian and so I’m hyper-aware about lip service, and I think you’re right. My perception is that they are weak-minded people too naive or stupid to realize they’ve been conned into sitting out the election by a right-wing psyop. And they also have this mentality that a candidate has to be perfect in every way (by their standards) or they won’t sully their purity by voting for them. They’re the same sort of people who shop at Whole Foods because anything less than perfect should never pass their lips, and don’t notice or care that it’s just funnelling their money to Bezos.
Yes? Has been since before the rise of truly fake news on social media in the run up to the 2016 election.
It was all anti Hillary stuff, but of course the right is the embodiment of projection, and so trump latched on to the “fake news” term with glee to discredit any and all news that he didn’t like.
People who sat out on voting for Kamela over the Biden handling of Gaza voted for this.
Hmm… not sure if its just those people who swayed the election. I think you are overestimating just how little the average American care about brown kids dying in the middle east.
If you look at the inflation, its correlated with Biden’s presidency, but voters don’t understand the idea of
Correlation =/= Causation
They forgot the whole Covid thing caused it, it was trump fucking up covid that exacerbaed the inflation.
And voters immediately thought its Biden’s fault, so those who voted democratic in 2020, decided to not vote because “prices didn’t go down so why bother voting”
It was death by 1000 cuts, but let’s not pretend Gaza wasn’t a major contributing factor on top of a feels-over-reals vibecession due to pandemic inflation.
So, the spike in homelessness was just an illusion people were feeling?
Man, I wish people told the ones doing the evictions that it’s all just an illusion…
No, the problem is that Democrats were saying “Old Man Bad.”
Then when he stepped aside and Harris was the only other option because there was no time for a primary, Dems largely said “No, Black Woman Worse! Hey, How about we vote for the even older white guy instead? Can I have a puppy?”
And when they didn’t get a puppy, they pulled a temper tantrum and stayed home.
And this arrogant ignorance is why the Dems lost, and will continue to lose.
It’s a bold strategy let’s see how many votes it costs you the next time around.
So go right ahead and tell me, you great political genius, why did the dems lose? What was so bad about Kamala Harris that allowing Trump to return to power was a viable option? How does allowing Trump to return to power in any way benefit anybody? Name one flaw Kamala Harris had that was so bad that Trump wasn’t explicitly campaigning on being exponentially worse?
The reason Dems lost is because Trump promised economic growth (“greatness”), and such a thing is possible through mars colonization. People felt that (maybe). They don’t actually care about how poor their living conditions are, they just want an adventure. And they’ll get one.
Also lots and lots of backlash against cancel culture.
They lost because the Dem candidate was telling the working class that any issues with the economy happening, are just figments of their imagination, and they should be happy in this economy.
Meanwhile, evictions are up, homelessness is up, pay is stagnant, and cost of everything is through the roof.
It’s literally so bad, we are starting to see the working class kill CEOs.
So… they lost because they lost sight of the voters, and then rejected guidance to get back on course.
No it wasn’t racial. At least not at that scale on the Dem side. It’s even simpler.
The candidates this round were all terrible options, from beginning to end. Trump was always going to be the Republican nominee, and Biden/Harris for the Dems. No one else was ever going to even be considered.
The Rep messaging was “shit is fucked, we’ll fix it”. That’s a lie of course, they have no plan to actually fix anything, their plans are to make it all and help the oligarchs as usual. But their messaging at least acknowledged the issues most people were feeling.
The Dem messaging boiled down to “it’s not that bad”. Which is objectively correct, but not what 90% of people felt. They ignored what real people were feeling entirely, so why should they vote for a party that won’t even acknowledge that fundamental issues exist?
Old man was okay until the shit debate job then it was old man bad.
They quickswitched to black woman, which put her behind as no primary or time to build name recognition.
Then guys who worked with Hillary made them stop calling trump and co. weird or saying “we’re not going back”, which were both effective.
Top that off with trying to peel away R voters, muh egg prices, her refusing to say Biden did a bad job when she was on the view (she could have dodged and said she’d do better, lets be real.) and refusing Rogan entirely and you have a recipe for a bad time wrt undecideds.
We were hearing everything from “he’s too old” to “he’s got dementia” for months. The debate was just the straw that broke the camel’s back. Biden was trending at -5 before the debate.
“We’re not going back” was her campaign slogan and there were people chanting it right up until election day.
I think they started backing off on the “weird” thing after the Trump/Harris debate. Trump gave the much-remembered “They’re eating the dogs!” line, which itself would have been a campaign-ender for literally any other human being, and everybody started trying to use that against him. Which makes sense. Why stick to something like “weird” when your opponent is giving you such juicy ammo to use against them? I’d have done the same thing, and I think so would anybody else.
The problem is it didn’t work. Voters heard that and said “Yes, I’d like to have more of that.”
There is never a situation where a candidate is going to say that an incumbent member of their own party is doing a bad job. That’s just an unrealistic expectation to have. She would have been playing right into Trump’s hands, who would have used that to make the last few months of Biden’s presidency even more difficult and miserable. The most you could have expected is something along the lines of “We disagree on the finer points of some things…”. But you are never going to hear a candidate basically shit on the leader of their own party like that.
And remember that she was Vice President. Go back and watch Trump during the campaign. When Biden dropped out, Trump essentially just swapped out Biden’s name for Harris and continued on with his campaign, acting as if Harris had been President for the past four years. He convinced a whole bunch of those undecideds that the “Harris Administration” was the source of all their problems, even though the VP has little role in day to day administration. To these undecideds, the “Biden Administration” and the “Harris Administration” were one and the same, and her saying that Biden did a bad job would be like saying she did a bad job. Trump would have been beating her over the head with that up and down the campaign trail. She would have sabotaged her own campaign and basically taken a shit on the last 3 months of Biden’s presidency in the process.
I mean they likely won and Trump just flipped the votes
https://electiontruthalliance.org/2024-us-election-analysis
But genocide Joe enjoyers likely did cause a drop in enthusiasm and lower turnout. (As the propaganda they consumed desired)
Why is this getting downvotes without being refuted? Read the information in the link please.
Actually, Kamala got equal or better vote turnout in all but one, iirc, key swing state than Biden did. So the Dems did turn up for Kamala. It’s just that Trump got more votes. Trump 2024 would have beaten Biden 2020.
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I agree that was douchy of them to say, but at the end of the day the election is historically about the economy. Race didn’t matter. Stance on Israel/Gaza didn’t matter. Primary wouldn’t have mattered. Any dem was going to lose because the people felt they were doing worse under Biden, despite apparently handling an economic crisis masterfully. (I would argue it was largely luck, but it doesn’t matter.)
To believe any of the sideshow issues mattered is to ignore history. It’s sad, but looks true to a high degree.
If only more people voted for the Democrats, Americans would have free health care, better education, and they wouldn’t be owned by corporations. If only enough people voted for the Democrats, Americans would be living in a much better place. Just like when Democrats where in power the last times, it was utopia. Obama even closed Guantanamo!
I mean, literally, yes. Most of the EOs that Trump has signed won’t be felt by the majority but trans kids are about to be bullied and committing suicide in much greater numbers, Latino Americans are going to have their families torn apart or be deported along with their family, careers are about to be ended for thousands, cancer research is getting paused, medications are going to get more expensive, progress on carbon reduction is grinding to a halt and probably reversing, and Federal aid is going to be tied to how much Presidential ass you’re willing to kiss. And this is with barely any legislation being passed! It would have been 10x better keeping the status quo!
Why wasn’t that done when Biden was in office?
Why didn’t the dems get rid of the filibuster when they created the rules package for the Senate on like day 1 of Biden’s term?
Republicans
Darnit gang! It’s those pesky republicans that somehow regularly and readily beat us at our own game whether they have power or we do.
We haven’t found a way to fight back in 30 years. It makes us seem kind of impotent and not worth voting for, but we promise this time it will be different. Like super promise. Totally promise.
You are confusing in power with absolute power. It’s a very common issue with dishonest people.
Of course. With all the power, Democrats would have stopped financing genocide. Only with absolute power can the Democrats improve public transit, provide clean water, lower the cost of groceries, tax the rich and generally fight for the people they are supposed to represent. Without absolute power, they have been forced to continue financing genocide and ignore the problems of the common people.
Biden was just fueling the genocide and would have continued to do so for all eternity, while having Blinken pay some lip service.
Pretending like Biden or Harris would have done anything different is laughable. Also they gave Trump the argument to ethnically cleanse Gaza based on the destruction that was done with American weapons consistently given to Israel to do exactly that. The end goal for Biden and Harris was equally to extend the Israeli control as a means to extend the US empire.
Now the Democrats might be inclined to change their position and get rid of the Zionist elites that are poisoning the party since decades. Or they just go around claiming how their genocide was a better final solution than Trumps ethnic cleansing, emphasizing again, that human lifes of people outside the US are worthless to both sides of the empires political coin.
No, just your opinions. Tell me, if Biden wouldn’t have done anything different, why did trump have to announce a change in what we planned on doing?
These hot takes are so laughably uninformed that it’s no wonder trump won.
Biden had an entire year to stop sending weapons to Israel. Harris had three months to take a stance publicly that differed from Bidens. Instead she blocked a group advocating for Palestinian rights at the DNC, while Israeli groups were allowed to speak. And the Palestinian group wanted to even tell people to vote for Harris despite everything. She blocked people advocating for electing her, because those people didnt share her support for Israel.
And what part of that is the same as what trump is doing?
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The exact same thing would have happened under Harris. Remember, Harris is a strong ally of Israel…
Keep blaming and crying about the voters neoliberal corporate-whorism failed to motivate!
It’s worked out well for you so far…
This is a democratic republic, or well it was… The people (the demos in democratic), absolutely deserve much of the blame for how they voted.
A functioning adult brain shouldn’t need to be “motivated” to do what is obviously the better choice for them, their family, the country and the world. And yet here we are, a land of endless useful idiots, thinking they are making a stand while doing exactly what empowers the corporate oligarchy the most.
So is genocider A or genocider B the right choice?
Do you prefer a red genocide or a blue genocide?
Or will you admit it’s just Red v Blue for you, rather than principled choices?
My principled choice says fuck Netenyahu, fuck Hamas, fuck Donald Trump, fuck Yahweh, fuck Mohammah, and fuck useful, easily manipulated idiots who desperately search for a new excuse every 4 years to let perfection be the enemy of progress.
Congratulations, you’re about to see what real scorched earth genocide and mass relocation looks like.
But not “fuck Biden for perpetuating the genocide”?
Interesting…
Because it was the Biden administration who rejected like 100 ceasefire proposals, not Hamas…? 🤣
We can continue this discussion in 4 years. You ain’t seen shit yet.
100? Nah, they did veto like 8 resolutions for a ceasefire in the UN, though.
And supplied all if the weapons used to genocide Palestinians.
Sorry the prospect of keeping a literal fascist out of the most powerful office in the world didn’t get you off, I guess? Sorry you don’t understand the difference between neoliberalism and fascism? Sorry you prefer fascism? I don’t really understand what y’all’s hangup was.
They’re getting exactly what they voted for, but probably not what they wanted. But at least bLuE mAgA lost right guys?
They never gave a shit about Palestine. It was just another example of “The Issue” for them to base their entire personality around to pose online.
I’m married to a Palestinian and so I’m hyper-aware about lip service, and I think you’re right. My perception is that they are weak-minded people too naive or stupid to realize they’ve been conned into sitting out the election by a right-wing psyop. And they also have this mentality that a candidate has to be perfect in every way (by their standards) or they won’t sully their purity by voting for them. They’re the same sort of people who shop at Whole Foods because anything less than perfect should never pass their lips, and don’t notice or care that it’s just funnelling their money to Bezos.
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Yes? Has been since before the rise of truly fake news on social media in the run up to the 2016 election.
It was all anti Hillary stuff, but of course the right is the embodiment of projection, and so trump latched on to the “fake news” term with glee to discredit any and all news that he didn’t like.
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…the purpose of people sitting out the election? You know, the topic of the comment you responded to?
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