I imagine Trump will buy the useless cyberdumpsters and give them to cops to use. They are such badly engineered and frequently broken POS’s I wouldnt even mind. Let “law enforcement” deal with them.
You seem to imagine pigs out there suffering some burden. That burden will simply be the taxpayers. 🤯
I think by “Let ‘law enforcement’ deal with them” they’re referring less to the cost than to the functional unreliability.
Then you’d think maybe they’d have a problem with the shitbags themselves.
I don’t gather your meaning.
The shitbags known as police are bastions of functional unreliability.
Okay? But what are you talking about
Then you’d think maybe they’d have a problem
Who is “they”?
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That would just make it so minorities will be driven around in that death box.
You got me there.
god i hope every cop cuts themselves on the edges
Minor correction; trump won’t buy them, the American taxpayer will buy them.
Love to see it! Good time to post my recent Tesla story: family member passed away a year ago and I got their car - older Tesla Model S that was in mint condition and had free charging for life. So I had a free car and could essentially drive it for free (ignoring insurance). Lot of nice features on it, but was clear that Tesla doesn’t do the basics of car building very well. Bit noisy, a rattle here and there, exterior trim pieces that are a little loose, and window seals that drip when you go through the car wash. Not even going to go into their software, which is pretty shitty. Basically a lot of things that look nice at first glance, but kinda janky when you look more closely. Nuts that that was a $100k car when purchased new - doesn’t seem to fit with reality. Anywho, I listed it for a while on Craigslist because I wanted off of the Tesla rollercoaster (for loads of reasons - Elmo, future stability of Tesla which is unknown, and having the weight around my neck of a car that I might not ever be able to get rid of in the future). Played the Craigslist game for a little while and then decided because of the tariffs coming to just go the trade-in route. Went in and traded it for a Mach E, which so far, I’m liking. Seems like a better-made car all around, is just as fast as the Tesla, and has more bells and whistles for half the price. The Ford dealership was starting to look like a Tesla dealership - the salesman said that loads of people were doing the same thing I was, including him - he had one but still had a loan to pay off but he wanted to swap his as well. He said he didn’t want my car but was willing to take the trade in to make the sale, so worked out for me. What was also great is that the Hands Off protest was happening the same day right in front of the dealership (Tesla was a block up), so we listened to the sweet sounds of shouts and car horns while we did paperwork. Good stuff.
Should also note that with the exception of the Cyberdumpster owners (probably beyond help), just remember that there are lots of Teslas on the road and each of those drivers have a different story. I’m all for civil disobedience (it’s definitely needed right now), but many of those owners just aren’t in a position to sell/burn/destroy/dump their Tesla. Cars are expensive, and now more than ever, we’re probably going to need to drive them as long as possible to get our money’s worth out of them. I was in a lucky situation with mine so I could get rid of it, but just have compassion for those who can’t.
Congrats on getting the Tesla off your hands! You also make an excellent point about empathy.
I was part of the Tesla Takedown and can confirm there were a lot of tesla drivers honking and supporting us. 100% of the cyber-dump-truck drivers were hateful.
We had a single CyberTruck honk at us Saturday. It was a surprise to be sure.
It was clear who fElon was when the Cybercucks were actually for sale (for those that didn’t already know, or suspect he was a lying assmonkey years before).
Don’t vandalize Tesla drivers’ cars, they’re self-vandalizing. I hate redundancy.
Oh, I’d like to hear more about the Mach-e. I’ve only seen a few, but they look decent enough.
Go test drive one. Just don’t bring your checkbook.
I will feel a lot better when their stock price goes much, much, much lower. Sure they are down 40+% in the past 3 months, but they were WAY too high prior to that.
Their P/E should be in the single digits if they were like most American companies. Until I see that, I’ll know that they are nothing but a fucking chud memestock.
What’s going to be really funny, is when it becomes worthless.
See, most of Elon’s money is in Tesla Stock, stock that he manipulated by telling tall tales of colonizing Mars.
In order to buy Twitter he had to take out a loan for the money and use his Tesla stock as collateral. Now, the thing about that is, the stock is only able to serve this purpose because it’s worth so much. If it wasn’t, then Elon basically defaults on the loan.
This means he will no longer own Twitter, his bank will.
He’ll be forced to sell SpaceX to cover the loans.
They’re still up 25% year on year.
That was an insane rally and crash though.
Tesla stock was enormously overpriced anyway. The product is not that good or worth that much. In the very beginning there was a lot of disrupting the incumbents. For better or worse. Now it’s all worse.
Yeah, if you compare their P/E ratio to any other car company…it was and is just nuts. They are in the triple digits last I checked, while many car companies are in the single digits/low double digits.
It’s gotten a tad bit closer to reality, but still needs adjustment, IMHO. I think the price of the stock should be at about 1/10th of what it is at now…I think a lot of it has to do with people buying into Musk’s bullshit and whole lotta stans in the day trader manosphere.
But it has a real Gamestop vibe to me…
I wonder if the cybertruck will be the Delorian of the future.
Well no, it won’t because people actually like the Delorian due to it being redeemed by one of the greatest time travel movies ever made.
We can make it happen with the Cyber truck!
BACK TO THE FÜHRER starring Kid Rock as Marty and Musk as the Doc and the truck doesn’t make it.
Here me out. What if they remaster back to the future and the plutonium guys at the beginning drive a cybertruck instead of the white truck?
Was the delorian hated? Why?
Mostly because it had a garbage engine. The one they used in the movies was modified with a much better engine.
The fact that the real Delorean couldn’t do 88 miles per hour was part of the joke.
Ah okay.
I have no idea about cars or engines
Yeah, the reason why they chose 55 mph in the movie is that was the max speed of the car (if i remember right)
Also the way the doors opened were pretty inconvenient
It was 88 mph, which is a speed that the original engine for the DeLorean was not capable of.
The flux capacitor is activated when it reaches 88mph. They had to add a digital speedometer because the Delorian’s only went to 85.
That was typical of cars made (for US market) in the early to mid 80s… Can’t remember for sure if it was part of the whole national 55mph speed limit, but I’d bet it was.
it wasn’t a good car, It just looked unique.
The suspension had to be raised to meet new pedestrian safety standards. This ruined the handling.
They couldn’t get the engine they really wanted (a Mazda rotary) and had to go with a GM piston engine instead. Then, new US emissions standards hit and it had to be downrated to meet those. EU models were better, though engine design in general was kinda in the shitter around this time.
People think it’s heavy because of the stainless steel, but those are thin panels over fiberglass. Its weight is in the same ballpark as what Ferrari was putting out at the time.
The first alternator they used did not have enough power for all the accessories to be on at once. People got stranded at night because of this, including Johnny Carson (who was an early investor). These were upgraded later.
Then there’s some manufacturing difficulties. The early models have creases embedded on each side of the hood. Forming the stainless steel that way often broke it at the factory. Later models have a completely flat hood.
As the company’s finances dwindled, DeLorean himself was caught in an FBI sting operation where he was accused of selling drugs to try to keep the company afloat. This ended up being a setup by the FBI–with Larry Flynt coming to the rescue, of all people–but it plunged the company’s reputation even more.
It was a shitty time to make a sports car. Lots of stuff happening at once that made them bad at what they are. Make it 5 years earlier or 5 years later and it’s an entirely different story. Even that might be generous; 1980s sports cars are known more for their angular looks than actual driving ability. It wouldn’t be until the 1990s that companies started to figure out how to work within the new regulations. Then you get legendary bangers again like the Supra MkIV.
It wasn’t hated. It just wasn’t a good car.
You misspelled Mandalorian
Looper, right? /s
Probably not, the Delorean was pretty cool even when it was new, I believe.
Also, a Cybertruck is massively complex, so keeping an old one running would be difficult.
Pretty sure there’s probably a Killswitch built in so that it won’t run past a certain date without giving Tesla more money, so once the company tanks they’ll all be dead in the water.
Like an iconic vehicle they make movies about?
A colossal failure that’s only remembered as a joke.
The DeLorean was 95% of the way to a brilliant car. The last 5% killed it with a combination of bad market timing and a few questionable parts selections. Most of those issues had been worked out after the first 3000 units, but the company’s reputation was in the shitter by then.
The FBI sting was a complete hoax.
There is no saving the Cybertruck. It’s poorly built, ugly, and comes from a company run by a narcissist.
Yes, let the hate flow through you, young Padawan.
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Well, it is iconic and will be used as a metaphor years from now when people start making movies of this era.
They won’t find a single one to film.
On the global scale the Cybertruck is an incredibly niche American thing.
It’s only ever sold 40 something thousand units since 2023. That’s ridiculously low.
For comparison, Toyota sells some 11 million vehicles a year globally. And just in the United States, Porsche yearly sells some 70k units. That 40k Cybertrucks is from three fiscal years
Yeah but it is famous loke the pinto, anf easy to recognize loke the delorean, and easy to make a prop version of.
The fuck is a ‘loke’?
Like. I and o are next to each other on the keyboard
They can make replicas
Sure slapping a few pizza boxes together and painting it silver would make a convincing enough replica, but why would anyone bother?
To make a movie.
No no. Why would anyone bother to put one in their movies in 20 years?
That’s like saying they’d have people wearing Apple Vision Pro’s in 20 years. Why? Wasn’t a big product. Just an overhyped one which utterly failed.
Perhaps as a meme to how shit it is but it’s definitely not “iconic to the era”.
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More probably the Edsel or Yugo, but with the quality of a Lada.
Well, the production of the cybertruck certianly smashed the delorean.
The swastikar idiots need to be called out constantly. They know exactly what they are doing. There are no coincidences. These are the willing participants in the far right agenda….
If they could afford a Tesla in the first place, they can afford to replace it.
I dont know about afford, surely there’s some idiot who took out a loan for this
my ex worker with a guy who took out a 90k loan for some other shitty backleds SUV and literally had to get a second job to pay for it. think started to break down like two months later lmao
If you were foolish enough to buy a Tesla, and too dumb to get rid of it already, make another poor decision and go to https://stealmytesla.com/ for the final solution to your problem.
I’m imagining situations like that episode of Seinfeld with the BO car. He couldn’t even get people to steal that thing.
So much crazy shit has happened this year that for an honest second, I was dead set in believing this was real. I feel like there are some people that are this desperate. But unfortunately I’m cursed with the power of reading for more than 10 seconds.
The site is well done. I wasn’t sure either until I saw the lady with a balaclava and a headset. 😂
Oh yeah that shit made me crack up and I knew it was fake, but it’s funny to imagine.
What a time to be alive
Has any other car manufacturer ever had a similar policy of not accepting their own vehicles as trade-ins?
No other major manufacturers sell directly to customers so no. Dealerships don’t care as long as you’re buying something. Many cars they take as trade wind up going straight to auction.
I mean do they care a bit. If it doesn’t sell at auction or goes for basically nothing they could lose whatever value they gave to you for trade in.
I have knowledge of how car salesweasels operate. There’s a thing called the Devil’s Triange: sale price, trade-in value, finance terms. If they give way on one of those vertices, they claw it back on one or both of the others. When the smarmy git goes out to talk to their manager, they’re showing them that they’re making their margin on the deal.
That’s also why it’s hard to negotiate with them if you disclose that you’re a cash buyer and don’t have a vehicle to trade in: you’ve removed two of their three degrees of freedom.
As a cash buyer, I went through my last dealership purchase and ordered a car with the $4k “warranty” scam plus accepted their scammy financing. Closed the deal and drove away with my car, then the next day I called and cancelled the warranty for a full refund and took my cash and paid off the loan in full.
It’s a hassle, but you have 3 days to cancel all that scammy junk with no recourse. That’s what it took to get the cash price I wanted.
I can’t imagine a court in the country seeing a problem with the call and cancel trick. Although,
permission to moralize?
personally, I want to get a great deal in a way I’ll feel good about… maybe have a story to share with fellow misers.
But I do put myself in the business’s shoes and I think it’s fair for everyone to walk out knowing how good of a deal they got and how much money they made.
And when you’re inside the building and they run their numbers and based on that they shake your hand, to go outside of the building and reach back to change the numbers–in a way that’d make them take back the handshake–it exceeds the level of cunning I’d want to be in a negotiation.
Also Lemmings, I promise I am not the parent commenter’s mother. Someone, take my soapbox before I make someone else want to log off! 😇
Plus they have their big book that shows current values and trends with used vehicles (like KBB on steroids) so just a cursory glance at your trade-in to ensure the transmission isn’t falling out and dragging on the ground should be a safe bet that they’ll be able to recoup most of the book value on the trade.
What is that trade-in? You give your old car to get a discount for a new? How does it work? Why does it work? I do I understood this completely wrong?
That’s right. Where I am it’s a tax scam to support dealerships.
If you trade in a $10k car on a $20k one, you pay sales tax on $10k. If you sell your car to someone else for $10k and then buy the $20k car, you pay sales tax on $20k and the new owner of your car pays sales tax on $10k.
Why would car manufacturers want their old cars?
It usually doesn’t work quite like the example above. Using that example…the dealership will only give you $4k for your old car, even though it’s worth $10k. They then turn around and sell it for anywhere from $8-12k, netting themselves a tidy profit on the vehicle now for the second time.
The convenience makes this worthwhile for most car buyers, even if they could get another few thousand if they did everything themselves and paid full taxes. Dealership of course loves it and laughs all the way to the bank.
Or they give you more on the trade-in and claw it back by offering you shit terms from their captive finance company.
Some carmakers don’t make a profit manufacturing and selling cars, they only make it on finance.
Interesting, wonder how the economics work for the different players. Also, tangentially:
A decade or two ago, a lady working in dealer finance lamented how internet bank rate comparisons had really rained on their parade
“I want this rate”, she explained customers would say, pointing at a printout or their phone and expecting a match.
Imagine how fat those margins would’ve been when they knew a customer hadn’t yet called around researching rates!
Good point, this is fairly common as well. I’d recommend avoiding financing entirely if at all possible because of this, simply not worth it for a car unless it’s the only way you can get one that’s in decent shape.
If you have to finance, often times you can get a much better rate from your local credit union instead. Use that to make the purchase, instead of the dealer’s financier.
It’s what Game Stop (and a myriad of other “buy, sell, trade” stores) does with used games and consoles but with cars. eBay exists but most people don’t want to go to that much trouble.
Not manufacturers, dealers. A legally required middleman in most of the US. They’ll take your $10k car for $7k and try to resell it for $12k. Even if it gets negotiated to a fair price, they still get the opportunity to upsell used car buyers into extended warranties and maintenance plans.
Tesla is a little different in that they do not have dealers, so they instead do no-negotiatiation sales on their used cars. It’s good for them because they can do the same buy low sell high deal. But when the model is not selling, they’ll have to buy it and sit on that asset for months or dump it at auction.
Because they lowball you
Because they can (usually) resell them for more than they give you for it.
Usually. They might have trouble with Teslas.
CPO cars print money.
Charge 3k more in order to give the car a once over and then offer a few years extra warranty that will probably never pay out that much in repairs (assuming there’s anything at all).
What? Where is that legal? You should be paying tax on the full purchase price of the new vehicle. In every transaction I’ve done, the trade-in is simply treated as part of the down payment or the full payment if you aren’t financing.
https://www.motorenn.com/vehicle-trade-in-tax-benefits-by-state (not the biggest fan of this but can’t find one I like better)
The same thing applies to houses and many other large purchases. Also most states that offer a trade in discount also let you sell the car private party (or to another dealer) and claim it on your taxes. You just have to file more paperwork vs the dealer figuring that out for you.
Huh, TIL.
Works just like that. Dealer takes your trade-in, usually paying you a decent amount less than you could get selling it yourself (this is a spot where you have rk make a time value for money decision). You apply that cash to your new car you’re buying from them.
The dealer (if they are good) cleans and fixes any issues with the trade-in and either sends it to auction or sells it on their own lot.
This process is so ingrained in the process here in the US that if you look up price estimates of used cars online, they will give you both a “dealer trade-in” value and a “private party” value.
I always sell my cars privately, and I’ve always gotten good value for them. But then, I never buy new cars. I’ll generally buy a low-mileage car that’s 3 or 4 years old.
Yep, really depends on your personal feelings around your money.
I am generally a used car kind of guy, but this is how trade-ins work. For some people, they’d rather just not have to deal with selling a car even if they could get a lot more for it. The dealerships provide them that service at a significant cost. 🤷♂️
That’s exactly how it works, and the dealer usually gives you a decent deal on the trade in, to make a sale.
It saves a huge amount of hassle for the buyer.
Did you think people threw thier cars out when they bought a new one?
No. Dealerships might have said “we have too many EVs right now” to you if you came in with your Nissan Leaf when there was an over-supply. But the idea that the entire manufacturer is blanket not accepting their own car, that new.
Many Cybertruck owners reported trying to trade-in the truck for a new vehicle
It only came out in November 2023! They’re already trying to trade it in? Seems like that’s it’s own sign of problems.
Some owners who have had their trucks in service for extended periods of time
NOVEMBER 2023!!! Nobody has had a one of these dumpsters for an extended period of time!
It only came out in 2023, and it’s already been recalled 8 times.
It’s pretty common for wealthy people to trade in their car every year or two, keeping in mind that a cyber truck is 80k+ the demographic is people who can afford to always have a new car.
Nobody has had a one of these dumpsters for an extended period of time!
I mean, yeah, okay, but even a few weeks is an “extended period of time” for a brand new car to be in service.
Thats hilarious
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Nobody has had a one of these dumpsters for an extended period of time!
Multiple milliseconds in some cases.
Womp womp. Glued together piece of scrap plastic
Maybe but it is up 17% right now. Are investors really this stupid?
This relates to the “zigzagging spikyness” you often see with the stock market. Each time a stock falls, many people are going to ask themselves “Hey, do I think that other people are wrong about this property being worthless? Maybe this is a good chance to buy, before they bounce back.”
There’s a mental appeal to the middle, it’s just a question of what the correct “middle” is. That’s also why many investors were cautioning people against selling during Trump’s week-long tariffs (of course, if you believe the USA is on its last legs, that may be a good idea). You’re probably seeing those purchases from those that feel the Tesla Takedowns will run out of steam, which is why it’s important to keep them up.
How do you think previous recessions happened? They are gambling with other people their money.
In a few decades we’ll get a new Back to the Future movie.
Doc, you made a time machine, out of a cybertruck?
If this baby hits 88mph you’re gonna see some serious shit…fall off.
I’m pretty sure I watched a very persuasive infomercial from our president on why we should buy them.
This is obviously due to the liberal media brainwashing consumers not to buy them.
OR…
It’s produced by a Nazi.
It could be that this vehicle has averaged a major recall every 60 days since release.
Gas pedal detaches itself for spontaneous fully automated joy rides.
It looks like what happened if oops all polygons fucked a roll of tinfoil.
It rusts, the panels fly off, and if you take it through a car wash it’ll total it.
It hasn’t lived up to any of the hype or range estimates stated.
The trailer hitch is held on by the polycarbonate (plastic that went to college) frame, so enjoy causing a massive traffic fatality while towing (even within the recommended towing capacity specs).
It’s 14 times more dangerous than the Ford Pinto which was on the market 3x longer and became synonymous with explosions.
Lastly, it’s become a way of explicitly telling the world I have a $100,000 truck and a $10 brain.
He’s not a Nazi, he’s just a far-right, authoritarian, ethnonationalist, pretending to be a champion of the working class.
Wow. Post-production quality control. Such dedication.
I bet detachable gas pedals make them easier to replace.
Probably saved a lot of money in design by not having to pay a bunch of liberal artists.
Those are sacrificial anodes. They’re supposed to rust. The panels are ablative hull armor designed to mitigate damage to the unibody and distract rival drivers, thereby assisting in escape. It’s nice of them to incentivize water conservation.
Gotta keep the other car companies guessing.
That’s a randomized defensive countermeasure.
No risk. No reward. Being this awesome comes at the risk of being a danger to oneself and others. That’s a sacrifice many drivers are willing to make.
The dancers at the club really like it. I think one of them is falling for me.
(Just guessing that’s how that conversation goes)
You forgot that it looks so much like a dumpster raccoons will try to break into it
plastic that went to college
Thanks, I’m really appreciating the afterlife
Expect another round of " incendiary device" burned down our “trucks”.
Insurance investigators may yet bring us some justice.
There was Dealership near me that had a bunch of their teslas keyed and damaged and smashed. Curious. Now that dealership can claim insurance money on the cars he can’t sell!
lol
lmfao even!
